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What is the coldest f1 race ever held?

Zero isn't magic temperature for tires. Teams would just race. It can't be any worse than Monaco last year. They did it on without wet weather tires on most dangerous track in calendar.

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Yes i guess they would just make a new tyre that has a lower working range for the track/ air temps

Well if we're talking about things that could be done, such as specific tyres for a cold race. How about a track with some form of 'under-asphalt' heating?

Don't know how feasible it would be to build pipework in the foundations a bit under the surface. But if it was under just the track, no matter how big the run offs were, it would punish drivers for even putting 1 tyre outside the track limits.

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My nomination is the 1973 BRDC International Trophy, a non-championship F1 race held at Silverstone on 8 April.



The white dots on the photo are snowflakes, which started to fall halfway through the race. By the end there was enough of the white stuff in the paddock for the BRM mechanics to have a snowball fight.

That's pretty much how intermediate and wet tyres work.

Imagine how a race on a track of a temp of 0C. Everyone would start on Inters but after 5 laps they'd wear out because there isn't any water. Dry tyres would never get enough heat in the, to work in the first place and wets would be a step too far. You'd have about 10 stops per driver in the race.

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They don't wear due to lack of water they wear because of the excess heat. Cold track means less heat means the tyre is cooler.

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

It's the dreaded snowball effect regardless. Less track temp means less tyre temp and on and on.

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Laura Pirrelli would make suitable tires if needed. 0 C is no barrier.

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As long as Pirelli don't bring a daft tyre choice it'll be grand. As people said they Test in low temps. Yes it's not racing head to head but if they are not heating up the tyre in those conditions it means the testing they are doing is worthless.

Few extra PSI in the tyres, the new adjustable brake ducts, Ferrari use their KERS all things that can be done to get the heat into the tyres even in cold weather. 0c is not a dead loss. Just another challenge.

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

It wouldn't work. If you want to see cars spin off into each other by lap 2 then fair enough. They'd never get up to full speed either, it'd be tippy toe from start to finish. No one wants to watch that.

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How do you know it wouldn't work?

If it didn't work then they wouldn't test in those conditions either. It's not as if the tyres go "Oh it's cold out here" and don't warm up. They still heat up. They will be in warmers before being dropped on the grid, so they will have heat to start with. They will do the warm up and get heat into the brakes which will help the tyres. They won't at any stage be on stone cold tyres and it probably wouldn't be much worse than after a long safety car period anyway.

Ever sent a car out on slicks to race on cold tarmac?

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Wouldn't work. Not in race conditions. The end. Goodbye. Laters. Smell ya.

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Laura when did Pirelli or anyone told that there is absolutely no way to design tires that will work in near 0 temperatures? It's Pirelli duty to provide team with suitable tires for every race. How do you know that they would never work? It's not that Pirelli would bring universal tires for such a race. They already bring special sets for Monza etc. Given that current tires are perfectly suitable for testing, the specially designed cold tries would work even better.

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Yes it would and I've explained how.

How I know

Because we have sent cars out in winter in a cold hole of a place no tyre warmers and the car came back in after two laps with warm tyres.

I'm sure if OB1 is about he will back me up on how cold Kirkistown circuit is even in the summer. Try it in winter and you'll get frost bite on your pecker if you try a sneaky leak over the transit wheel.

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

You are all so funny. Bless you.

But you have no way of proving that F1 tyres could work in race conditions like that either. So I guess we'll never know if I'm right or I'm wrong.

I say we get bumper cars, you say we get the same type of racing we get in say Spain. But we'll never know because it won't happen. The temps in Sochi will be fine, they won't reach 0C at that time of year anyway so this whole argument is pointless.

Have a banana.

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Seriously you guys would argue over anything. Go out and get some fresh air. You might enjoy it.

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We do know. One because of Austin and secondly because of winter testing.

If they will slide about and play bumper cars in race conditions they would slide about in Testing too. It's not as if the tip toe about in testing. If they couldn't drive in it properly they wouldn't test in it and F1 has been testing in cold holes for a long time.

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Come on. It's not that you you didn't that part in this argument. I hope you will go get some fresh air too. Don't try to parented to be better than me or anyone. You also typed many words here.

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No you don't know. No one knows. No one really cares either since the race won't take art in those kinds of temps anyway. None of the races on the calendar do.

It wasn't temps that made Austin tricky. It was the slippy surface of the asphalt. Track temps were about 15C over the weekend. So rubbish example I'm afraid.

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I am outside. I'm in my garden on my iPad. It's lovely.

Also I'm not better than anyone. We are all equals.

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I don't have such luxury now. Air is fresh, but the temperatures are well below -10 here.

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One of the days of Austin at the start FP 3 I think there was frost on the track.

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Well they certainly wouldn't hold a race where you are!

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http://inagist.com/all/269817031417794563/

Track temps were still much much more than 0C.

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Yep

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Like I said "I think" . One of the commentators mentioned the temps on one of the sessions and they went out anyway.

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

But the temps were no where near 0C. The lowest all weekend was 10C and that rose pretty rapidly within a few minutes. So your comparison was utterly pointless. That's all.

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Well if there was frost on the track it must have been pretty cold.

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Frost can lie about for a long time. Doesn't mean the temp is as low as it would seem. Anyway I can't seem anything about frost at the time of FP. Perhaps there was in the mornings before FP but by the time they started it had burned off.

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My tyres on my car work fine and give me a lot of grip below zero. I will give them my suppliers details and they will be fine

Laura, you seem to be forgetting the main reason why tyres heat up. They heat up majorly due to friction with the abrasive track surface, the actual track temperatures play a much much minor role.
That's why you have drivers complaining about cold tyres after an extended SC session even in Bahrain. The same will happen in a sub zero temperature circuit. Tyres are not much of a problem, the much denser air is more of a challenge, both on an aerodynamic and engine standpoint.
Sorry, but I'm siding with Johnston and dizlexik here.

I don't really care who you side with tbh. The chances of a formula one race taking place in zero degree temps is incredibly slim. It won't happen so the whole argument is pointless.

No tyre can keep heat in it at that kind of temp. Not unless it is made of rubber that'll fall apart in 3 laps.

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Yes it can, I know because I have been in events where it's been bollock freezing and it was nice to pull the wheels off to get some heat into the fingers.

Now if us lowly guys can do it at local events using the same tyres we used at any other events. I'm sure with all the tech of F1 and things like tyre warmers that we didn't have. I'm sure F1 can do it.

Only once did have I trouble. They were shitty tyres that I know from experience don't warm well. They were a hard compound which was daft for a short stage. They had been lying outside for three years so well past their dates. But it was last minute decision to go and the only tarmac tyres he had. It was also RWD and it was the fronts that refused to heat. Now if it was a problem for everyone the event wouldn't have ran. It used some notorious stages. Tarmac but tree lined. Other places if you go off they hire in a crane to get the car back. Basically high speed and no room to make an error. Oh and where we stood to watch a stage or too we were standing in Snow.

Now either it can be done or us wee lads working in garages at the side of the house are better than F1 engineers.

So which is it?

anyone with interest. The rally I talked about above used some of the same stages as this one. It was basically a shortened non-championship version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOB2LE9Ll68

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

You mean like the majority of arguments on internet forums?

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Victory for the optimists I believe.

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I know what you meant but I am not sure why would you point to that particular event. Can you help?

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Are you right though? How does thee know?

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