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this is the most ridiculous news i have ever heard , a backmarker in DTM who finishes last or second to last every weekend is going to shakedown the new car for a team like Williams !!! , what happened to Logic in F1

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A shakedown is testing if the car moves and turns corners, yeah? Why can't she do that, it doesn't sound difficult. I bet one of the engineers could do it!

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As her old man now also owns a chunk of the Mercedes F1 team, expect to see her shaking down the Mercedes-AMG 2013 W04 too!


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It's a straight line test. No biggie.

But if your pissed about that you are going to be well pissed off when she starts driving on Fridays.

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Yea and what exactly is wrong with that??!..

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Who knows how well she shakes.

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A shakedown just makes sure all the wires are connected and it isn't going to go *kaboom* if the race drivers apply the throttle slightly. If Suzie Wolff gets a little exposure, then good on her. There's been worse drivers given a race seat.

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dabi wrote:
Yea and what exactly is wrong with that??!..


the wrong with that is she can barely drive a DTM car , she doesn't deserve to get anywhere near a F1 car


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A shakedown just makes sure all the wires are connected and it isn't going to go *kaboom* if the race drivers apply the throttle slightly. If Suzie Wolff gets a little exposure, then good on her. There's been worse drivers given a race seat.


Such as?

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A shakedown just makes sure all the wires are connected and it isn't going to go *kaboom* if the race drivers apply the throttle slightly. If Suzie Wolff gets a little exposure, then good on her. There's been worse drivers given a race seat.


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Banana Man wrote:
Toby. wrote:
A shakedown just makes sure all the wires are connected and it isn't going to go *kaboom* if the race drivers apply the throttle slightly. If Suzie Wolff gets a little exposure, then good on her. There's been worse drivers given a race seat.


Such as?


Off the top of my head:

Giovanni Lavaggi
Yuji Ide
Ricardo Rossett

In fairness, Toto Wolff's money will be helping significantly.


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Colinjb wrote:
Banana Man wrote:
Toby. wrote:
A shakedown just makes sure all the wires are connected and it isn't going to go *kaboom* if the race drivers apply the throttle slightly. If Suzie Wolff gets a little exposure, then good on her. There's been worse drivers given a race seat.


Such as?


Off the top of my head:

Giovanni Lavaggi
Yuji Ide
Ricardo Rossett

In fairness, Toto Wolff's money will be helping significantly.


Chanoch Nissany, Jean Denis Delatraz as well. Tempted to say Domenico Schiattarella, but only remember him from the F195 game.


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Toby. wrote:
A shakedown just makes sure all the wires are connected and it isn't going to go *kaboom* if the race drivers apply the throttle slightly. If Suzie Wolff gets a little exposure, then good on her. There's been worse drivers given a race seat.


the teams try to use any kms of running to try to improve the car so the shakedown will include some testing for the car performance besides the routine checkups of the car integrity


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It's only a shakedown to be honest. It'll most likely only be a handful of laps anyway.

It's a good thing for everyone involved to be honest. She gets good PR, Williams get increased hype over their shakedown and good PR

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huggybear wrote:
Colinjb wrote:
Banana Man wrote:
Toby. wrote:
A shakedown just makes sure all the wires are connected and it isn't going to go *kaboom* if the race drivers apply the throttle slightly. If Suzie Wolff gets a little exposure, then good on her. There's been worse drivers given a race seat.


Such as?


Off the top of my head:

Giovanni Lavaggi
Yuji Ide
Ricardo Rossett

In fairness, Toto Wolff's money will be helping significantly.


Chanoch Nissany, Jean Denis Delatraz as well. Tempted to say Domenico Schiattarella, but only remember him from the F195 game.

Throw in any number of the rubbish one off drivers who appeared throughout the 70s too.

I don't see Wolff being any worse than a Baumgartner or a Friesacher either. I wonder if people are only freaking out because she's not a man. Just because she doesn't have a pair of actual bollocks doesn't mean she's any worse than any other pay driver we have ever seen.

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I notice that, according to the Daily Telegraph, Toto Wolff is not planning on selling his Williams shares anytime soon: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/9830390/Mercedes-F1-boss-stands-firm-on-rivals-shares.html

A way of making sure the Missus keeps her F1 development drive perhaps?


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huggybear wrote:
Colinjb wrote:
Banana Man wrote:
Toby. wrote:
A shakedown just makes sure all the wires are connected and it isn't going to go *kaboom* if the race drivers apply the throttle slightly. If Suzie Wolff gets a little exposure, then good on her. There's been worse drivers given a race seat.


Such as?


Off the top of my head:

Giovanni Lavaggi
Yuji Ide
Ricardo Rossett

In fairness, Toto Wolff's money will be helping significantly.


Chanoch Nissany, Jean Denis Delatraz as well. Tempted to say Domenico Schiattarella, but only remember him from the F195 game.


Rossett came second in F3000
Ide was runner up in Formula Nippon
Delatraz scored a couple of F3000 podiums.

None of those is anything special, although all are more notable than Wolff's achievements. Finishing last in 6 of the 7 years she has spent in DTM with 0 points scored.

Nissany never got a race seat, although granted he was hopeless.

Lavaggi I might give you but he was a pay driver. However unless Wolff gets a drive we will never know for sure.

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Don't forget that in DTM she isn't using the most update of equipment.

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Considering that not even Maldo can drive a Williams in a showcase without crashing, I think she'll be fine.

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Don't forget that in DTM she isn't using the most update of equipment.

Only in 2012. Every other year she's been in DTM it's been out of date equipment.

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Laura23 wrote:
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Don't forget that in DTM she isn't using the most update of equipment.

Only in 2012. Every other year she's been in DTM it's been out of date equipment.


Thats what I meant :lol:

Although even in 2012 the privateers don't get the same stuff the works guys do. Same in any series.

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Considering that not even Maldo can drive a Williams in a showcase without crashing, I think she'll be fine.

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Yeah Susie, shake it!! :D

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Fiki wrote:
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Considering that not even Maldo can drive a Williams in a showcase without crashing, I think she'll be fine.

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Yeah Susie, shake it!! :D


i don't see her shaking anything usefully except that


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It's a straight line test. No biggie.

But if your pissed about that you are going to be well pissed off when she starts driving on Fridays.

I doubt that would ever happen

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Laura23 wrote:
huggybear wrote:
Colinjb wrote:
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Toby. wrote:
A shakedown just makes sure all the wires are connected and it isn't going to go *kaboom* if the race drivers apply the throttle slightly. If Suzie Wolff gets a little exposure, then good on her. There's been worse drivers given a race seat.


Such as?


Off the top of my head:

Giovanni Lavaggi
Yuji Ide
Ricardo Rossett

In fairness, Toto Wolff's money will be helping significantly.


Chanoch Nissany, Jean Denis Delatraz as well. Tempted to say Domenico Schiattarella, but only remember him from the F195 game.

Throw in any number of the rubbish one off drivers who appeared throughout the 70s too.

I don't see Wolff being any worse than a Baumgartner or a Friesacher either. I wonder if people are only freaking out because she's not a man. Just because she doesn't have a pair of actual bollocks doesn't mean she's any worse than any other pay driver we have ever seen.

Do you see her competing in F1 as such?

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pokerman wrote:
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It's a straight line test. No biggie.

But if your pissed about that you are going to be well pissed off when she starts driving on Fridays.

I doubt that would ever happen



I wouldn't be surprised, there was talk last year of her taking Bottas seat if he moved up a step and then of course she's dropped DTM. Bernies also dropped favourably comments. So I sure wouldn't bet against it.

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Considering that not even Maldo can drive a Williams in a showcase without crashing, I think she'll be fine.

:thumbup:

Yeah Susie, shake it!! :D


i don't see her shaking anything usefully except that
Logic please, captain. She hasn't started shaking it yet.

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Johnston wrote:
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It's a straight line test. No biggie.

But if your pissed about that you are going to be well pissed off when she starts driving on Fridays.

I doubt that would ever happen



I wouldn't be surprised, there was talk last year of her taking Bottas seat if he moved up a step and then of course she's dropped DTM. Bernies also dropped favourably comments. So I sure wouldn't bet against it.

It would be quite embarassing though, if you're going to put a woman in a F1 car put one in that won't be laughed at

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pokerman wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
huggybear wrote:
Colinjb wrote:
Banana Man wrote:

Such as?


Off the top of my head:

Giovanni Lavaggi
Yuji Ide
Ricardo Rossett

In fairness, Toto Wolff's money will be helping significantly.


Chanoch Nissany, Jean Denis Delatraz as well. Tempted to say Domenico Schiattarella, but only remember him from the F195 game.

Throw in any number of the rubbish one off drivers who appeared throughout the 70s too.

I don't see Wolff being any worse than a Baumgartner or a Friesacher either. I wonder if people are only freaking out because she's not a man. Just because she doesn't have a pair of actual bollocks doesn't mean she's any worse than any other pay driver we have ever seen.

Do you see her competing in F1 as such?

Nope, not unless Bottas or Maldonado get injured. Doesn't take away from the point at hand. She's not the worst driver to have been given a car shakedown in f1.

I doubt she'll get Friday's either. Bottas will need all the time he can get and Williams rates him massively, Maldonado pays too much to sit out sessions.

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It would be quite embarassing though, if you're going to put a woman in a F1 car put one in that won't be laughed at



How do you know it would be embarrassing? Got a crystal ball?

She hasn't done a timed lap in one and you reckon it would be embarrassing :uhoh: Supposedly her times in the sim etc are ok and She kept it on the tarmac when she took one out around Silverstone last year which is probably better than most folk on here could manage.

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Laura23 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
huggybear wrote:
Colinjb wrote:
Off the top of my head:

Giovanni Lavaggi
Yuji Ide
Ricardo Rossett

In fairness, Toto Wolff's money will be helping significantly.


Chanoch Nissany, Jean Denis Delatraz as well. Tempted to say Domenico Schiattarella, but only remember him from the F195 game.

Throw in any number of the rubbish one off drivers who appeared throughout the 70s too.

I don't see Wolff being any worse than a Baumgartner or a Friesacher either. I wonder if people are only freaking out because she's not a man. Just because she doesn't have a pair of actual bollocks doesn't mean she's any worse than any other pay driver we have ever seen.

Do you see her competing in F1 as such?

Nope, not unless Bottas or Maldonado get injured. Doesn't take away from the point at hand. She's not the worst driver to have been given a car shakedown in f1.

I doubt she'll get Friday's either. Bottas will need all the time he can get and Williams rates him massively, Maldonado pays too much to sit out sessions.

No there's nothing wrong with her doing systems checks, its a far cry from driving a F1 car in anger though

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pokerman wrote:
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It's a straight line test. No biggie.

But if your pissed about that you are going to be well pissed off when she starts driving on Fridays.

I doubt that would ever happen



I wouldn't be surprised, there was talk last year of her taking Bottas seat if he moved up a step and then of course she's dropped DTM. Bernies also dropped favourably comments. So I sure wouldn't bet against it.

It would be quite embarassing though, if you're going to put a woman in a F1 car put one in that won't be laughed at

With people like you and some of the others in this thread around that is always going to happen I'm afraid.

Just let her get on with it. She's not offending anyone, she's just doing a simple shakedown. Some of you guys make it seem like she's replacing Alonso for the entire year, not that would be silly.

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It would be quite embarassing though, if you're going to put a woman in a F1 car put one in that won't be laughed at



How do you know it would be embarrassing? Got a crystal ball?

She hasn't done a timed lap in one and you reckon it would be embarrassing :uhoh: Supposedly her times in the sim etc are ok and She kept it on the tarmac when she took one out around Silverstone last year which is probably better than most folk on here could manage.

I guess it depends on how many seconds off the pace is considered to be embarassing?

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Nope, not unless Bottas or Maldonado get injured. Doesn't take away from the point at hand. She's not the worst driver to have been given a car shakedown in f1.

I doubt she'll get Friday's either. Bottas will need all the time he can get and Williams rates him massively, Maldonado pays too much to sit out sessions.


Based on what though? Pretty much all she has ever done in her career is finish last in DTM. How is that proof she is better than Lavaggi, Ide or Delatraz? Maybe her car has been rubbish but that doesn't make her good. If she was she'd have earned a seat in a better car by now but she hasn't.

I'm not saying she IS the worst driver just that there is nothing to suggest she is any good, or better than the other drivers mentioned.

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It would be quite embarassing though, if you're going to put a woman in a F1 car put one in that won't be laughed at



How do you know it would be embarrassing? Got a crystal ball?

She hasn't done a timed lap in one and you reckon it would be embarrassing :uhoh: Supposedly her times in the sim etc are ok and She kept it on the tarmac when she took one out around Silverstone last year which is probably better than most folk on here could manage.

I guess it depends on how many seconds off the pace is considered to be embarassing?



How do you know she would be seconds off the pace?

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Because you can't get much worse than the Deltraz's of the world. Wolff isn't a great driver but she isn't bad either. She'll never win races, or get podiums but I don't think she would be embarrassing like those guys were. She won't get any track time beyond shakedowns anyway so what's the point in the argument? The chances of her becoming a fully fledged F1 driver are slim, partly because it is still a male dominated world far too cynical to give a woman a genuine chance and partly because she isn't better than Bottas or Maldonado.

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Johnston wrote:
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It would be quite embarassing though, if you're going to put a woman in a F1 car put one in that won't be laughed at



How do you know it would be embarrassing? Got a crystal ball?

She hasn't done a timed lap in one and you reckon it would be embarrassing :uhoh: Supposedly her times in the sim etc are ok and She kept it on the tarmac when she took one out around Silverstone last year which is probably better than most folk on here could manage.

I guess it depends on how many seconds off the pace is considered to be embarassing?



How do you know she would be seconds off the pace?

Exactly.

I seriously doubt she would be so bad she'd be lapped after 5/6 laps at la Deletraz or over 3 seconds slower than her team mate a la Inoue. In fact Inoue once was out qualified by his own team mate by over 10 seconds. That's embarrassing. Wolff would be nowhere near that bad.

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Exactly.

I seriously doubt she would be so bad she'd be lapped after 5/6 laps at la Deletraz or over 3 seconds slower than her team mate a la Inoue. In fact Inoue once was out qualified by his own team mate by over 10 seconds. That's embarrassing. Wolff would be nowhere near that bad.



Add in that she managed a lap or more without complaining of too much grip and knows how to remove a steering wheel instantly puts her above Nissanny.

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Johnston wrote:
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Exactly.

I seriously doubt she would be so bad she'd be lapped after 5/6 laps at la Deletraz or over 3 seconds slower than her team mate a la Inoue. In fact Inoue once was out qualified by his own team mate by over 10 seconds. That's embarrassing. Wolff would be nowhere near that bad.



Add in that she managed a lap or more without complaining of too much grip and knows how to remove a steering wheel instantly puts her above Nissanny.

Mind you Oliver Panis once got sent to the back of the grid for not removing the steering wheel on his Prost when he tried to get out of it. Meant he failed the 5 second rule. Britain 98 I think.

But I do agree. She's no world beater but she's no embarrassment either.

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