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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:29 pm 
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Thats it though Scarbs is the only one to mention it.

And how would he get measurements?

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Joey_Zyla wrote:
Modesty panels are silly. I don't watch F1 to look at 'the pretty cars', I watch F1 to see racing.


I'm sure they wouldn't have put the panel there unless it gave them some advantage.


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Pictures of McLaren 2013 F1 car

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 Post subject: Re: McLaren MP4-28
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:32 pm 
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Modesty panels are silly. I don't watch F1 to look at 'the pretty cars', I watch F1 to see racing.


I'm sure they wouldn't have put the panel there unless it gave them some advantage.


Actually, it adds weight to the car, which is why Lotus chose to keep the stepped nose.


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You can tell it is a high nosed car because the top of the cockpit is level with the top of the wheels, like on the RB8 and other high nosed cars of 2012. The MP4-27's cockpit was below the height of the wheels by 75mm.


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 Post subject: Re: McLaren MP4-28
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Had to pop out and missed the launch. Anyone know where you can still watch it? The live feed link shows it as being private :(

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It looks like one uniformed nose does not look like there is a join so i would agree its not got a modesty panel hiding a stepped nose


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 Post subject: Re: McLaren MP4-28
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The wheels are in droop though.

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 Post subject: Re: McLaren MP4-28
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:40 pm 
The new car has changed quite a lot. The most obvious is the front pull rod suspension. No stepped nose, or modesty panel, just a continuation of the McLaren philosophy on the front end. The front wing and everything forward will be changed before testing, just like Lotus, McLaren are not revealing what they intend the front aero treatment to be. The car is packaged even tighter (getting hard to believe how it can be done) and the front radiator inlet has been moved back, revealing the side impact structure, usually hidden. The entire area around the sidepod inlets are incredibly complex aerodynamically.

The front mirror stalks have a weird kink, expect them to be a continuation of some new device which will be attached later. The rear axles have a shroud, and the rear beam wing chord is absolutely huge. And there is a monkey seat.


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suddenly lost interest in these car launches....


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There won't be a better looking machine being launched by anyone else that's for sure.

Interesting how the score for the modesty panel v no modesty panel seems to be 1-1 so far. I'm intrigued to see how the rest of the grid have gone.

Last year's nose started with a splitter which was later jettisoned in favour of turning vanes, this one seems to lack both at the moment...


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JohnnyGuitar wrote:
There won't be a better looking machine being launched by anyone else that's for sure.

Please elaborate...

On second thought please don't.

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Covalent wrote:
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There won't be a better looking machine being launched by anyone else that's for sure.

Please elaborate...

On second thought please don't.


Erm, OK. :?:


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 Post subject: Re: McLaren MP4-28
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:55 pm 
I believe I see confirmation that a modesty panel exists. On this high resolution picture

http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/me ... 31ja77.jpg

On the side of the nose just where the "Mobil" logo is, there is either a scratch (unthinkable for a McLaren launch car) or a seam where the modesty panel meets the nose structure.


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Blinky McSquinty wrote:
I believe I see confirmation that a modesty panel exists. On this high resolution picture

http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/me ... 31ja77.jpg

On the side of the nose just where the "Mobil" logo is, there is either a scratch (unthinkable for a McLaren launch car) or a seam where the modesty panel meets the nose structure.

I think that could just be a reflection, though you could be right, its a dark line fo sho... I'd have though a seam would be more defined than that, they're usually not so fussy about hiding seams. Will wait for confirmation from McLaren that a modesty panel exists though I think, as it's just pure speculation from us so far.

The more I look at it the more it does seem like a seam though.

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Blinky McSquinty wrote:
I believe I see confirmation that a modesty panel exists. On this high resolution picture

http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/me ... 31ja77.jpg

On the side of the nose just where the "Mobil" logo is, there is either a scratch (unthinkable for a McLaren launch car) or a seam where the modesty panel meets the nose structure.


Sorry I don't see it. This nose doesn't have a modesty panel.

But I wonder if other noses would be set up for that.


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 Post subject: Re: McLaren MP4-28
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Blinky McSquinty wrote:
I believe I see confirmation that a modesty panel exists. On this high resolution picture

http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/me ... 31ja77.jpg

On the side of the nose just where the "Mobil" logo is, there is either a scratch (unthinkable for a McLaren launch car) or a seam where the modesty panel meets the nose structure.



I looked at that too, but then the panel can't be flat on top otherwise where the nose comes up to meet it is too high. The panel would need to come down to meet the nose if you know what I mean. It would need to be n shaped rather than -

I thought they were more likely to be reflections.

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JohnnyGuitar wrote:
There won't be a better looking machine being launched by anyone else that's for sure.

Interesting how the score for the modesty panel v no modesty panel seems to be 1-1 so far. I'm intrigued to see how the rest of the grid have gone.

Last year's nose started with a splitter which was later jettisoned in favour of turning vanes, this one seems to lack both at the moment...



I think the Lotus was better. McLaren look is old. Bring out the orange.


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Repost.....

oh wait the drivers at least look different

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Anyone think Perez looks remarkably uncomfortable/awkward?

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The modesty panel just has to detach under impact, it doesn't have to have a visible seam. Given that it is there for aesthetics it would be strange that a team like McLaren would not hide the joins.


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Modesty panels are going to be made as one with the nose, all one piece and then sprayed so you are not going to see them. This is F1 they aren't just going to screw on a little panel.

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Hard to tell but did they duplicate the Red Bull exhaust like Lotus did?


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jammin78 wrote:
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Anyone think Perez looks remarkably uncomfortable/awkward?


I do love the way F1 drivers look, when wearing their gear they look to have slender bodies but then you look at the neck and its like wtf!!

Both look a bit uncomfortable but thats not a surprise - Jenson because he feels he is team leader and that comes with a lot of responsibility and pressure - Checo cos he's the new boy with something to prove. I did think that both Jenson and Checo were not comfortable with each other at all and this is going to become a very intense rivalry very fast.

I do have to say the launch was fantastic and the bruce mclaren video was excellent - well done Mclaren


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Modesty panels are going to be made as one with the nose, all one piece and then sprayed so you are not going to see them. This is F1 they aren't just going to screw on a little panel.



You might want to look closer at an F1 car. They are covered in little panels that are screwed on.

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Now for 2013 teams will be allowed to streamline the step, with a thin aerodynamic fairing that can be no higher than the tub at 625mm. This is a sacrificial part it forms no part of the impact structure, it’s simply there to make the stepped nose look better and with it perhaps bring a small aero benefit.


To my mind if it is one piece and moulded in it has become part of the impact structure.

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 Post subject: Re: McLaren MP4-28
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Modesty panels are going to be made as one with the nose, all one piece and then sprayed so you are not going to see them. This is F1 they aren't just going to screw on a little panel.



You might want to look closer at an F1 car. They are covered in little panels that are screwed on.

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Now for 2013 teams will be allowed to streamline the step, with a thin aerodynamic fairing that can be no higher than the tub at 625mm. This is a sacrificial part it forms no part of the impact structure, it’s simply there to make the stepped nose look better and with it perhaps bring a small aero benefit.


To my mind if it is one piece and moulded in it has become part of the impact structure.


They are covered in panels when you need access to something.

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Top one this year, bottom one last year. I know it's not quantifiable, but you can see the difference.

Just because there's a modesty panel there doesn't mean you will be able to see it like you would a dinner tray. I guess it'll be hollow underneath so it'll disintegrate under impact.

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You can tell it is a high nosed car because the top of the cockpit is level with the top of the wheels, like on the RB8 and other high nosed cars of 2012. The MP4-27's cockpit was below the height of the wheels by 75mm.


In one of the pics are the wheels touching the ground, so the suspension is bearing any weight. When it does, the car would automatically lower. By how much, I don't know, but it surely would. Right now the tires are just hanging there.


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Side by side shot shows they have changed their design philosophy entirely at the front, that is a high nose case with modesty panel to my untrained eye. If Scarbs thinks so, that is good enough for me.

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You can tell it is a high nosed car because the top of the cockpit is level with the top of the wheels, like on the RB8 and other high nosed cars of 2012. The MP4-27's cockpit was below the height of the wheels by 75mm.


In one of the pics are the wheels touching the ground, so the suspension is bearing any weight. When it does, the car would automatically lower. By how much, I don't know, but it surely would. Right now the tires are just hanging there.

F1 suspension has very little travel, and that is probably a mock up rather than an actual car, so the suspension would be held in place anyway.

The side view of the car released by McLaren of the car on the ground clearly shows the top of the cockpit being level with the top of the tyres and the nose being much higher, to a degree it would necessitate a modesty panel to meet the regulations.


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You can tell it is a high nosed car because the top of the cockpit is level with the top of the wheels, like on the RB8 and other high nosed cars of 2012. The MP4-27's cockpit was below the height of the wheels by 75mm.


In one of the pics are the wheels touching the ground, so the suspension is bearing any weight. When it does, the car would automatically lower. By how much, I don't know, but it surely would. Right now the tires are just hanging there.

F1 suspension has very little travel, and that is probably a mock up rather than an actual car, so the suspension would be held in place anyway.

The side view of the car released by McLaren of the car on the ground clearly shows the top of the cockpit being level with the top of the tyres and the nose being much higher, to a degree it would necessitate a modesty panel to meet the regulations.

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Looks like a winner to me. Very slick and aggressive.

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I think it's a mock up nose. Where the cover panel and nose is one piece just for show. This won't fly with regulations in the first race so I'm expecting a two piece of the same outline by then.


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I think it's a mock up nose. Where the cover panel and nose is one piece just for show. This won't fly with regulations in the first race so I'm expecting a two piece of the same outline by then.


Just because that part can't be structural doesn't mean it has to be glued on. It just has to easily break apart when hit. I'm sure they could stick it on seamlessly.


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If they have covered it, I am very surprised Lotus didn't. what benefit would a step bring over the smoother nose.

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If they have covered it, I am very surprised Lotus didn't. what benefit would a step bring over the smoother nose.

James Allison said that a vanity panel added extra weight and raised the center of gravity.

I'm not saying that argument makes sense (because a panel would be a few grams) but that was his justification.


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If they have covered it, I am very surprised Lotus didn't. what benefit would a step bring over the smoother nose.

James Allison said that a vanity panel added extra weight and raised the center of gravity.

I'm not saying that argument makes sense (because a panel would be a few grams) but that was his justification.



You would think though the panel would give a smoother air flow.

Quick mock up not perfect due to the angles but gives an idea.
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And damn I just realised I forgot to extend one line. :blush: :blush: You may all get a straight edge and a felt tip pen out. :lol:

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I think I won't notice a single difference until I see both side by side.


Button and Perez praying already. Not a good sign. :(


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No sign of Telmex sponsor logo or Mexico. Anyone have a view from rear?


It had the "Tooned" logo at the back.

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The car is too far. But it does say "Tooned".


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