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Am I missing the definition of a modesty panel? I thought it was something that went over a stepped nose, all I see is a similar nose to last year.

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Nice MP4-27, where's the MP4-28?

It's just so boring. Love or hate it, the Lotus was better to look at.

Where because I canny see it. Especially in the high res. Looks like a modified B spec from last year.

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Here is the car as of Brazil:



Note the difference in elevation on the nose. The only way they could have done that is with a modesty panel.

i thought panels will be more visible, this is awesome

It's worth noting that last year's McLaren was well below the maximum allowed height, so they could theoretically raise it this year without having to resort to a modesty panel. It does look quite high though.

Modesty panels are silly. I don't watch F1 to look at 'the pretty cars', I watch F1 to see racing.

I don't see it. The angle hurts it and the suspension/tyres on the show car is all the way down since it's not on the floor. So to get any good measurement out of it is useless.

Without knowing the heights of the chassis you can't say "It's the only way" . Remember the height of the chassis McLaren meets the nose height regs. Hence the no step last year.

Theres the launch MP4-27

http://gforcef1.files.wordpress.com/201 ... 826398.jpg

Looks very similar.

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OK but when the details become more apparent, you heard it here first!

Actually heard it from Scarbs first.

If it was a high chassis it's weird very few of the others have mentioned it. It's a very big change for McLaren. It also doesn't have the ridges or bulges for the wishbone mounts that most of the high chassis guys go for.

Edit if thats a modesty panel. Their spray guy needs a pay rise for getting that to match so well.

Unless the modesty panel is allowed to be moulded into the nose, but I understood it to mean it had to be a separate panel .

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i agree.

You may have done, but I didn't!

although he has just confirmed it, with measurements.

Thats it though Scarbs is the only one to mention it.

And how would he get measurements?

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I'm sure they wouldn't have put the panel there unless it gave them some advantage.

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With a tape measure?

no idea - he was obviously there so he must know somehow.

Actually, it adds weight to the car, which is why Lotus chose to keep the stepped nose.

Had to pop out and missed the launch. Anyone know where you can still watch it? The live feed link shows it as being private

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It looks like one uniformed nose does not look like there is a join so i would agree its not got a modesty panel hiding a stepped nose

The wheels are in droop though.

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The new car has changed quite a lot. The most obvious is the front pull rod suspension. No stepped nose, or modesty panel, just a continuation of the McLaren philosophy on the front end. The front wing and everything forward will be changed before testing, just like Lotus, McLaren are not revealing what they intend the front aero treatment to be. The car is packaged even tighter (getting hard to believe how it can be done) and the front radiator inlet has been moved back, revealing the side impact structure, usually hidden. The entire area around the sidepod inlets are incredibly complex aerodynamically.

The front mirror stalks have a weird kink, expect them to be a continuation of some new device which will be attached later. The rear axles have a shroud, and the rear beam wing chord is absolutely huge. And there is a monkey seat.

suddenly lost interest in these car launches....

There won't be a better looking machine being launched by anyone else that's for sure.

Interesting how the score for the modesty panel v no modesty panel seems to be 1-1 so far. I'm intrigued to see how the rest of the grid have gone.

Last year's nose started with a splitter which was later jettisoned in favour of turning vanes, this one seems to lack both at the moment...

Please elaborate...

On second thought please don't.

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Erm, OK.

I believe I see confirmation that a modesty panel exists. On this high resolution picture

http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/me ... 31ja77.jpg

On the side of the nose just where the "Mobil" logo is, there is either a scratch (unthinkable for a McLaren launch car) or a seam where the modesty panel meets the nose structure.

I think that could just be a reflection, though you could be right, its a dark line fo sho... I'd have though a seam would be more defined than that, they're usually not so fussy about hiding seams. Will wait for confirmation from McLaren that a modesty panel exists though I think, as it's just pure speculation from us so far.

The more I look at it the more it does seem like a seam though.

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Sorry I don't see it. This nose doesn't have a modesty panel.

But I wonder if other noses would be set up for that.

I looked at that too, but then the panel can't be flat on top otherwise where the nose comes up to meet it is too high. The panel would need to come down to meet the nose if you know what I mean. It would need to be n shaped rather than -

I thought they were more likely to be reflections.

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I think the Lotus was better. McLaren look is old. Bring out the orange.

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oh wait the drivers at least look different

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Anyone think Perez looks remarkably uncomfortable/awkward?

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Modesty panels are going to be made as one with the nose, all one piece and then sprayed so you are not going to see them. This is F1 they aren't just going to screw on a little panel.

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Hard to tell but did they duplicate the Red Bull exhaust like Lotus did?

I do love the way F1 drivers look, when wearing their gear they look to have slender bodies but then you look at the neck and its like wtf!!

Both look a bit uncomfortable but thats not a surprise - Jenson because he feels he is team leader and that comes with a lot of responsibility and pressure - Checo cos he's the new boy with something to prove. I did think that both Jenson and Checo were not comfortable with each other at all and this is going to become a very intense rivalry very fast.

I do have to say the launch was fantastic and the bruce mclaren video was excellent - well done Mclaren

You might want to look closer at an F1 car. They are covered in little panels that are screwed on.



To my mind if it is one piece and moulded in it has become part of the impact structure.

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They are covered in panels when you need access to something.

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