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Is it just me or the car looks too bulky? It doesn´t have a sleek, fluid shape and looks rather fat and heavy

Indeed, it seems Mercedes are worse at packaging than the people who sell SD cards.


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that's how big it is :D

http://www.gsmarena.com/blackberry_z10_ ... um=twitter


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Looks chunky and awfully like last years car. I thought someone said they knew Merc were going radical?

Anyway fitting BlackBerry sponsor the team, mediocrity sponsoring mediocrity.


you know every human being on the planet has a smartphone or a tablet or both , and blackberry happens to produce both of them , if they could get a chunk of that market from apple and samsung , it would do wonders

BlackBerry would have to make a half decent phone first. Given the BlackBerry Ten OS that's just been brought out has been slated by most I doubt that's gonna happen any time soon. The market will be Apple and Samsung dominated for a while yet regardless of this Merc sponsorship deal.

Still one wonders what will break down or crash first, Hamilton's BlackBerry or his car...


Slated by most? What does that mean. I'm a developer and been using the Alpha device for about half a year and it's better than the Iphone5 by far. Best OS in the market

Here is someone who knows his stuff...BB is going nowhere.



Not really. I'm also a developer and I too have used the Alpha. Not pretty. Sure its had a UI overhaul but if you seriously think thats going to make or break a phone you know squat about the market. Ecosystem is all that matters, and Blackberry dont have one. Their actions over the last few years alienated developers to the point where a lot of us simply dont bother as you make very little money back from your investment in the platform. In contrast, your profits are HUGE on iOS and Android (like several thousand percent more than on blackberry).

Without developers, its dead in the water. So far very few big developers have committed to the BB10.

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Given BlackBerry's financial situation I doubt they were bringing enough money to make demands like that. They have been in pretty serious financial difficulty for a few years now, and their products just arent selling. If the BB10 flops (which its obviously expected to do) it'll likely be the end for them.

I hope you are more knowledgeable about F1 than you are about mobile phone technology

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Apple's market capitalisation has fallen more than Microsoft is worth in the past 6 months, while RIMs share price has more than doubled, admittedly from a low point.

Corporates will NEVER adopt iOS because the OS prevents remote support by design, you try guiding 1,000 field sales people through a roll out issue on the phone rather than taking control and doing it yourself.

Blimy thats a bit of a skewed statistic there isnt it. If you knew anything about Apple you'd know that their market growth is sporadic, but stable. The decline always happens when there is a gab in release cycles. Pull that graph up when the next iPhone is released and see what happens ;) Also dont forget that Apple just had a major corp reshuffle, ditching a number of long-term executives and reassigning roles - this causes concern in investors, quite understandably.

Lets look at it in a slightly more fair way than the last 6 months shall we, where BB have had a lot of hype thrown their way.

The last 5 years:
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Also to say corporations will never adopt iOS is laughable. iOS enterprise usage has seen massive growth. The iPad has greatly helped this (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ipad-driv ... 00641.html). Dont forget that an iOS rollout is actually gherkin easy thanks to the remote tools provided (and yes, I have used them).

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Mercedes sponsored by BlackBerry. Hamilton tweets via iPhone #Fail.

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If looks were the defining factor regarding the ultimate speed of a car, then the W04 looks slow compared to its rivals. As an ex engineer(albeit not in motorsport) and following F1 for 3 decades, the sport according to the pundits/Technical directors/chief designers claim the sport has moved to the point of aero points/efficient downforce equals laptime and therefore success and this is where Mercedes falls flat on their face IMO. I get the impression looking at the W04, that the design engineers set the parametres and the aerodynamics department work around them, with a little bit of give and take here and there. Comparing that to Neweys' cars post RB5 and this years MP4-28, I get the distinct impression these teams knew what aero numbers they wanted as a minimum and then demanded their engineers design and packaged the car within that framework.

Tight packaging for aero benefit we are told is the key and the W04 looks fat in comparison. If unrestricted/unobstructed/high volume/clean airflow to the rear of the car is the holy grail, in order to work/seal the difuser in conjunction with the exhaust gases, as well as to power the lower rear beam wing, then the W04 to the open eye is a poor attempt compared to the Ferrari, Red Bull, Sauber, Renault and McLaren.

Conversely was last years Mp4-27 as tightly packaged as the RB8? The answer is clearly no, plus it had a lower chassis, yet the MP4-27 was a match and at times superior to the RB8, so what does the average armchair F1 engineer/aerodynamicist like me know? :-P There is more than one way to skin a cat, so lets wait and see what the stopwatch says until we write the obituary for the W04. Its Long run pace in Jerez will reveal if the car is in the same ball park as the leading cars or not, and the 1st Barcelona test will only confirm this. Anybody claiming the 1st test wont reveal nothing, clearly has not been following F1 long enough. It reveals a lot. Maybe not the ultimate pace, but whether the car is there, thereabouts, or simply off the pace.


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A2jdl wrote:
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Is that Lewis and not Nico?


And so it begins!! :x



On race day look at the T cam not the Helmet ;)

i can tell by the Helmet
But who is the No.1 then ?



Obviously Nico. He got to drive the car first :P

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A2jdl wrote:
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Is that Lewis and not Nico?


And so it begins!! :x



On race day look at the T cam not the Helmet ;)

i can tell by the Helmet
But who is the No.1 then ?



Obviously Nico. He got to drive the car first :P

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Johnston wrote:
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Is that Lewis and not Nico?


And so it begins!! :x



On race day look at the T cam not the Helmet ;)

i can tell by the Helmet
But who is the No.1 then ?



Obviously Nico. He got to drive the car first :P

Does that mean Massa is No.1 at Ferrari then? Wow :P

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That helmet looks different to the one he posted on his Twitter...

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Man... Call me crazy, but that exhaust layout looks similar to Ferrari's from the start of the 2012 season... I can't put my finger on it, but it looks so similar to it.

They are going to need to put the names of the top of the car because Nico and Lewis will be hard to tell apart.

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According to Twitter, the car went past the pits slow and was pushed back into its Garage..

..apparently it 'ran out of fuel'.

Doesn't bode well does it.


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Malkiiin wrote:
According to Twitter, the car went past the pits slow and was pushed back into its Garage..

..apparently it 'ran out of fuel'.

Doesn't bode well does it.


According to Hamilton it was a procedure.

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Malkiiin wrote:
According to Twitter, the car went past the pits slow and was pushed back into its Garage..

..apparently it 'ran out of fuel'.

Doesn't bode well does it.



They did it on purpose.. i bet you will see other teams doing it tomorrow just like last year, merc probly are just getting it out of the way now while they have the chance so they dont have to red flag the track and wait for the car to come back during a test day.


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Moore wrote:
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According to Twitter, the car went past the pits slow and was pushed back into its Garage..

..apparently it 'ran out of fuel'.

Doesn't bode well does it.


According to Hamilton it was a procedure.


What purpose would this serve?


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Malkiiin wrote:
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According to Twitter, the car went past the pits slow and was pushed back into its Garage..

..apparently it 'ran out of fuel'.

Doesn't bode well does it.


According to Hamilton it was a procedure.


What purpose would this serve?


To give the mechanics practice of pushing the 2013 car away after another mechanical failure!

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Malkiiin wrote:

What purpose would this serve?


To check gauges are working correctly, fuel pick up limits etc. Basically verifying.


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First video of Hamilton behind the wheel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw_p7neUfFM


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Johnston wrote:
A2jdl wrote:
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Is that Lewis and not Nico?


And so it begins!! :x



On race day look at the T cam not the Helmet ;)

i can tell by the Helmet
But who is the No.1 then ?



Obviously Nico. He got to drive the car first :P

So obviously, Massa is the Nr 1, Pedro the Nr 2, and Alonso only Nr3 at Ferrari?
Webber Nr1 and Vettel Nr2, too?

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Malkiiin wrote:
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According to Twitter, the car went past the pits slow and was pushed back into its Garage..

..apparently it 'ran out of fuel'.

Doesn't bode well does it.


According to Hamilton it was a procedure.


What purpose would this serve?

to look how low on fuel they can run, before they stop
Important for qualifying
And it's better to make it today than to cause a red flagg at testing, and disturb all other teams!

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Malkiiin wrote:
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According to Twitter, the car went past the pits slow and was pushed back into its Garage..

..apparently it 'ran out of fuel'.

Doesn't bode well does it.


According to Hamilton it was a procedure.


What purpose would this serve?


Probably a check. To check no adverse effects of a car running out of fuel, which could happen.

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So obviously, Massa is the Nr 1, Pedro the Nr 2, and Alonso only Nr3 at Ferrari?
Webber Nr1 and Vettel Nr2, too?



Obviously D'uh. Sure Massa has been talking about the WDC now why is that? He wouldn't have a chance as Number 2 .

Horner and Newey have already said Marko doesn't speak for the team. So if Marko doesn't speak for the team then Webber not number 2 as he claims ;)




Bloody hell sense of humour bypasses today or what? .

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Gonna have nightmares telling Nico and Lewis apart at Silverstone this year!

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Gonna have nightmares telling Nico and Lewis apart at Silverstone this year!


And people said we don't need the numbers and flags printed big on the engine cover!

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Gonna have nightmares telling Nico and Lewis apart at Silverstone this year!

Color of the T-Bar should help.


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Gonna have nightmares telling Nico and Lewis apart at Silverstone this year!

Color of the T-Bar should help.


How good are your eyes to spot a T-bar 6 inches long from 60 - 100 yards away as it travels over 150 mph?!

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I'm of the opinion that we will have some closing up of the top teams this year; some of Red Bull's advantages have been eroded - because of the changes to the DRS rules and front wing load tests, as well as other teams have been able to incorporate their ideas around the rear of the car.

Added to the fact that they were actually close to being on the pace in the early stages of last season before they discovered the double DRS led them up a development blind-alley and they then obviously switched off developing the W03 to concentrate on this car, I expect them to be closer to the top 4 than in 2012; they will win races. (Oh yes, they've also improved their driver line-up too!)


Even I would admit that signing Hamilton instead of Schumi at 43 is probably not a backwards step. But Nico will beat Hamilton at times this season, Schumi beat Nico quite a lot last season and the year before, the car is more important.

The car will be what decides where they will be beating each other. For 7th or 8th, or for 3rd or 4th, or maybe even for 1st or 2nd?

If the car is 7th or 8th at the first race, is there any guarantee that it will improve over the season? It hasn't since, well, a long time ago if at all.


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Who can really tell...there have been examples of a car rising heavily throughout the season, for instance the 2009 McLaren.

I expect however for Mercedes to really lay it on thick at the start of next season, giving the fact that they will have the advantage of developing their own engine and therefore having lots of data more than customer cars (and not only Mercedes customers, this applies to all customer cars).

As for the 2013 car...one of the biggest mysteries so far.

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Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else, but....

http://youtu.be/D6TZOoLCXNI

Dont want to read too much into the short interview, but Lewis didnt seem happy, especially when you contrast how Nico was after his drive, Nico said similar things regarding "wrong tires" and "waiting until testing" etc but he still seemed a lot more upbeat than Lewis.

As a Lewis fan admittedly i'm hoping that Im just reading too much into things, but you know when Lewis is happy about something as his face is very easy to read and to me he looks concerned.

Thought....


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Apple is a cult! now that we got it out of the way, let us talk F1.

while Mercedes are confident, I'm worried. no team has been sitting idle, and quite frankly, this year even sauber had a better base to begin their campaign with than merc. if they're properly running 3-4 through the season, I'd think that the design was good enough to begin with. I have my doubts but even if they start with a truck, they'll catch some teams with smaller budgets with some developments through the season.

Renault are working rather well with RBR and I doubt that there will be much slack, if any, on part of either of them come 2014. Similarly Ferrari have their own engine and they're not that bad with engines, and they'd be competitive no doubts about it what so ever. Lotus brought a pretty good car design last year and have built on it this year, and given the competence of the team, I'll think they will have good car to work with next year, if not the total package what with new engines. Mercedes can only move forward really, but there are a host of changes they're making to the structure of the team, and it couldn't possibly have come at a worst time. They have an opportunity to do some damage to the existing order, but all the changes will take their toll. What the overall impact will be, it's hard to say, but sure it does slow down things for a bit. transitions are never painless.

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RickM wrote:
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Hamilton's BlackBerry or his car...


I guarantee that he'll have an iPhone or s3 in his pocket for personal use. You'd be crazy to try and use a blackberry as your main phone these days. Nasty, nasty devices.


Doubtful - him being seen using anything other than a blackberry will probably trigger some clause in he sponsorship contract.

Given BlackBerry's financial situation I doubt they were bringing enough money to make demands like that. They have been in pretty serious financial difficulty for a few years now, and their products just arent selling. If the BB10 flops (which its obviously expected to do) it'll likely be the end for them.

BBRY has about $2.9 billion in cash, more than enough to pay Mercedes for 2013 season. Obviously if company situation was superb they wouldn't need such a extensive advertising. When you see that company is advertising more than it usually does, you can be quite sure that it is in troubles. The question is whether it is real Lewis tweeting or some PR person.

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Gonna have nightmares telling Nico and Lewis apart at Silverstone this year!

Color of the T-Bar should help.


How good are your eyes to spot a T-bar 6 inches long from 60 - 100 yards away as it travels over 150 mph?!


:lol: Exactly

I'm sure we will cope, somehow. Hopefully Lewis will have one of his special edition helmets that weekend- a GB flag or something printed on it

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RaggedMan wrote:
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Gonna have nightmares telling Nico and Lewis apart at Silverstone this year!

Color of the T-Bar should help.

T-Bar doesn't always help, it's been a pain trying to tell the STR boys apart in 2012, and I remember once Vettel had a helmet that looked similar to Webbers with a yellow top and I was always second guessing my self on who it was, especially when they showed the T-Bar camera where you cant see the red/yellow colour on top of the car. In races its not so bad as you can tell where certain drivers are in relation to the rest of the field, but in practice, qualifying or when one of them is shown on the side of the road it takes a few moments to figure out who it is.

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RaggedMan wrote:
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Gonna have nightmares telling Nico and Lewis apart at Silverstone this year!

Color of the T-Bar should help.



Maybe the faster guy should help too :lol:


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Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else, but....

http://youtu.be/D6TZOoLCXNI

Dont want to read too much into the short interview, but Lewis didnt seem happy, especially when you contrast how Nico was after his drive, Nico said similar things regarding "wrong tires" and "waiting until testing" etc but he still seemed a lot more upbeat than Lewis.

As a Lewis fan admittedly i'm hoping that Im just reading too much into things, but you know when Lewis is happy about something as his face is very easy to read and to me he looks concerned.

Thought....


Pretty much what I was thinking too. :?

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Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else, but....

http://youtu.be/D6TZOoLCXNI

Dont want to read too much into the short interview, but Lewis didnt seem happy, especially when you contrast how Nico was after his drive, Nico said similar things regarding "wrong tires" and "waiting until testing" etc but he still seemed a lot more upbeat than Lewis.

As a Lewis fan admittedly i'm hoping that Im just reading too much into things, but you know when Lewis is happy about something as his face is very easy to read and to me he looks concerned.

Thought....


Pretty much what I was thinking too. :?

Thoguht the same too. No doubt he was comparing it to the McLaren.


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Lads and Ladettes. It's testing this is what it is for. Look at McLaren in '11 they hardly ran a full race distance in all the tests combined. Look how that turned out. Or Lotus and their dodgy chassis last year.

Jerez is basically a shakedown anyway to niggle out these problems as well.


As gets said every year. It's only testing it means nothing.

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Mercedes too..!

But good thing it does it during testing so they got time to work on it.

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