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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:15 pm 
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Well, if Lotus, nowadays a customer team, can keep up, then Mercedes should be able to keep up too. Maybe the parent company doesn't exactly pour money with the barrel, Toyota-style, but to my knowledge last year they had a more-than-decent budget.

Besides, whatever happened to "give it all you've got"? If they always go by the principle of dropping this year in favor of the next one, sooner or later they're going to find out there ain't no next year.

Plus, the power of example, I seem to remember another German team, some 5 years ago, switching to next year's car when one of their drivers was still in the WDC game. And we know how that worked out. That was a stupid call. Not Honda-stupid, but stupid nevertheless.

Lotus just seem more capable of getting more consistent development rates from their factory than Mecredes do. It's nothing to do with money, it's you utilise what money you do have and Lotus did that much better in 2012.

Also what has helped Lotus is they over the last few years have spent a fortune improving there facilities at the factory such as upgrading the wind tunnel, new dyno / test beds brand new simulator facility with top not simulator and lots more on top of that so I'm sure all this has help with their recent improvement.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:19 pm 
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That's what leads me to think it's just the paint burning. If it was bodywork they would have had to change it completly.

Yeah highly likely just paint. Not sure if anyone else has noticed but a few teams (I know McLaren do it) have an ice blanket they put on the same spot whenever the car comes in during quali/practice.

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That's what leads me to think it's just the paint burning. If it was bodywork they would have had to change it completly.

Yeah highly likely just paint. Not sure if anyone else has noticed but a few teams (I know McLaren do it) have an ice blanket they put on the same spot whenever the car comes in during quali/practice.

Indeed. Seems weird though you'd think the material would just catch fire given the temps of the paint and bodywork can't cope! I suppose it'll be fireproof material.

The more teams try and compact the rear end the more likely cooling will be a problem though. Newey is the master at shrink wrap sometimes to the cost of reliability. Lotus look to have a super sleek rear end this year too, very Red Bull esque. The Mercedes looks a real chunker in comparison to the top teams cars and the Sauber.

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What did Schumacher and Rosberg think of the 2011 and 2012 Mercedes when they first tested them?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:47 am 
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What did Schumacher and Rosberg think of the 2011 and 2012 Mercedes when they first tested them?

Schumacher kept saying "lets wait and see" a lot. We're still waiting...

Anyway,

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97194 - Merc claimed missing the first test last year would do no harm...

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 11810.html - Schumacher topped the time sheets in 2011 as well and said everything was as expected...

So the general gist from Merc pre season is top the times and say everything is going as they expected only to underperformed come the season itself. Who knows if they'll change that this year.

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Well, like the old saying goes, let's wait and see :)
Reliability improved yesterday by quite a margin. Hamilton claims downforce is not on par with McLaren, but not as bad as it would have firstly believed. Other than that, everybody's swimming in shallow water for the time being.

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Yeah 148 laps isn't something to overlook, and with pretty consistent pace too. Let's see how the car goes for Lewis today though!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:01 am 
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RickM wrote:
Yeah 148 laps isn't something to overlook, and with pretty consistent pace too. Let's see how the car goes for Lewis today though!

looks like they have completely changed the cars rear end, running passive DRS
times are not as fast as yesterday, not as many laps, too.

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I think some of that has to be damage from the fire. Under the exhaust outlet the paint has pealed off - that wouldn't happen even if it was just a case of the paint getting hot.

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