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Author:  Balibari [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:00 pm ]
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Nobody mentioned Heidfeld taking the med car door off yet? I sometimes think he gets unfair grief for that, we can't see what he could see, but it still looks amusingly inept.

And within a few races didn't Montoya have a run where he hit a jack in the pits, spun on an outlap and hit a drain cover in the race?

Author:  Alienturnedhuman [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:01 pm ]
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Petrov getting some air at Malaysia 2011

DC crashing on the formation lap after getting pole position (can't remember race or year, but it was in Williams).

Michelin at Indy 2005.

Author:  chican [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:05 pm ]
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In Detroit (or Dallas), don't remember the year, there was a driver who spun and tried to recover by making a blind turn in wrong way. Was it De Cesaris? I remember Keke Rosberg saying "that's the most crazy thing I've ever seen". It was probably that year in which the season review was narrated by drivers themselves.

Author:  Swarth [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:15 pm ]
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Aeson wrote:
Domenico Schiattarella's complete brain failure at Monaco 1995: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP2Lj-_4fQg

This is F3000, but too good not to mention. Bjorn Wirdheim at Monaco 2003 showing how not to win a race: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVcMe6Kconc

Edit: Who can forget Chanoch Nissany's stunning debut at Hungary 2005: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofWSBHbgUlg

is there any kind of explanation for the first video? what on earth was he thinking?

Author:  RaisinChips [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:18 pm ]
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Alienturnedhuman wrote:

DC crashing on the formation lap after getting pole position (can't remember race or year, but it was in Williams).


It was the 1995 Italian GP, but Coulthard got lucky that on lap 1 others spun at the part of the track where his spin had gathered gravel so the race was red-flagged and he got the pole position back for the restart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFDkZ4MkDgc

Author:  mcdo [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:33 pm ]
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Seanie wrote:
mcdo wrote:
Most would probably view this as a fail (I however applauded him for being an absolute hero):

Tiago Monteiro, Indy 2005 podium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dZlG6VyyNA

Thats a tough one, it wasn't his fault the race was a complete farce, he legitimately earned the podium place.

Covalent wrote:
Definitely not a fail. A fail would've been not making it to the podium (or better yet in the points ;) )

Oh I agree, as I said above I thought he was a hero. The finger guns (or were they finger drumsticks?) were probably my favourite moment of 2005.

There are those however that would deem it to be in poor taste considering the circumstances, so I stuck it in this thread.

Author:  RickM [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:45 pm ]
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Karun Chandock managing to crash the Caterham in the Australia 2011 practice one. First race of the year. First driver out on track. First time he'd ever driven it.

He almost made it around the second corner :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fg3sMWfihE


Have to feel sorry for the guy. That pretty much ended his career.

Author:  Fat Albert [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:04 pm ]
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Raikonnen, Brazil, 2012 :nod:

Author:  j man [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:17 pm ]
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mcdo wrote:
Seanie wrote:
mcdo wrote:
Most would probably view this as a fail (I however applauded him for being an absolute hero):

Tiago Monteiro, Indy 2005 podium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dZlG6VyyNA

Thats a tough one, it wasn't his fault the race was a complete farce, he legitimately earned the podium place.

Covalent wrote:
Definitely not a fail. A fail would've been not making it to the podium (or better yet in the points ;) )

Oh I agree, as I said above I thought he was a hero. The finger guns (or were they finger drumsticks?) were probably my favourite moment of 2005.

There are those however that would deem it to be in poor taste considering the circumstances, so I stuck it in this thread.

I don't see the problem with Monteiro celebrating his podium. Would anyone have begrudged him the position if all the Michelin cars had started the race but failed to finish for whatever reason? Mark Webber was lauded as a hero for his 5th place on his debut but really it occurred under similar circumstances, in that a large number of faster cars failed to finish the race. As far as I'm concerned the circumstances that led to them failing to finish the race are unimportant. The entire event was a massive fail on Michelin's part, but that's not Monteiro's fault.


Back on topic, I remember one year Michael Schumacher having a collision with one of the backmarkers (Christian Albers?) on the way to the grid in China, a good half hour before the race was due to start. Both had to start from the pit lane.

We can also add Virgin Racing designing their car with a fuel tank that was too small.

Williams leaving one of their cars (was Schumacher I think) up on its jacks on the starting grid in Belgium 2001

Ferrari only bringing out 3 tyres to fit to Irvine's car in a pit stop back in 1999 at the Nurburgring

Author:  G1n [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:41 pm ]
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2011 Hungarian GP D'Ambrosio Spins in Pit Lane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEwlXFvRXOI

Author:  BrazilLastCorner2008 [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:47 pm ]
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Hamilton has so many it's embarrassing and I'm a massive fan

Not really a fail but don't think I've laughed as much as Giancarlo Fisichella calling his Renault "piece of f*cking sh*t" at Bahrain 2006!

Author:  ATM2 [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:17 pm ]
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Irvine's crash train from Monaco 1996. The Irish -already 1 lap down- was just recovering from a spin when be got overhauled by the Finnish Express. Hakkinen was rather tiddled off at the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYkOlrFWqw

Plus, brain fade for Alesi in the 1997 Melbourne grand -prix. He deliberately ignored several laps the team's call in pits until he ran out of fuel. I can remember even now Briatore, he was something like " we put our tallest man with the board and Alesi still didn't see him!!" or something.
Nice remarks from the commentary boys too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQN49SnvJ_o

Author:  Eva09 [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:19 pm ]
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Balibari wrote:
froze wrote:
Schumi hitting the back of DC at Spa.

But which had brain fade? Some blame DC, others blame Schumi. Collective brainfade, perhaps.


Slight brainfade from DC, but these things do happen in heavy wet. Or did, rather, these days they just get red-flagged, no fun at all.

Coulthard has some good ones though, like spinning at Monza (I don't recall that) or crashing in Adelaide pitlane.

Author:  TheGunner [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:57 pm ]
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Singapore '08.

Massa driving off with the fuel hose still attached. Funny in itself, but then seeing some overweight pitcrew members 'running' down the pitlane was the cherry on the cake.

Author:  seandean41 [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:11 pm ]
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Anyone remember Jenson crashing out behind the safety car when he was at Williams-BMW ?

Author:  Siao7 [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:18 pm ]
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Wurz against the safety car, although before his time in F1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8lutheieVs

Author:  VDV23 [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:36 pm ]
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Kobayashi, Silverstone 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPf6PXfTcQI

Author:  chican [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:59 pm ]
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Mansell reversing in the pitlane in Portugal 89.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxlee0qjVu0

Author:  Paul_C [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:59 pm ]
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Alain Prost spinning into retirement on the formation lap, San Marino 1991

Ayrton Senna hitting the wall at the entrance to the tunnel in Monaco, 1988, whilst in a race of his own, or tripping over Jean Louis Schlesser's Williams at Monza in the same year (famously meaning that McLaren didn't win every race that season...)

DC hitting the pitwall whilst a country mile ahead in Adelaide, 1995

Nigel Mansell forgetting to change gear on the last lap in Canada, 1991, whilst waving to the crowd

Author:  Paul_C [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:00 pm ]
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chican wrote:
Mansell reversing in the pitlane in Portugal 89.


Oh, and that reminds me, Mansells right-rear wheel falling off in the pitlane in Portugal in 1991! Portugal wasn't really that kind to Mansell.

Author:  moby [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:20 pm ]
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Button has 'form' for parking in the wrong place, he did it at the end of the Monaco GP too, and had to run down the pitroad.

Author:  j man [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:29 pm ]
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seandean41 wrote:
Anyone remember Jenson crashing out behind the safety car when he was at Williams-BMW ?

I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on that one, I'd be more inclined to blame the guys braking hard in front of him. Vettel crashing into Webber behind the safety car in Fuji was more of a fail in my book, though to be fair to Vettel the weather conditions were rather treacherous.

Author:  ob1kenobi.23 [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:57 pm ]
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Although not F1, I always remember this brain fade by Bjorn Wirdheim at Monaco.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jueSUfEBf18

Author:  specdecible [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:31 am ]
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How about the Tifosi ripping apart Fisichella┬┤s Benetton when it was parked at the side of the track after the race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSVQndi_GEE

Author:  potter84 [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:07 am ]
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I cant remember what year or gp but it was raining and everyone was aqua planning off at the same turn and a collection of f1 cars formed in the gravel but i think in one of his fast thinking moments Hamilton kept the engine going and got them to crane him back on track. Not a gaff but in recent times one of those races that just made me laugh when i thought about it for weeks, the way the camera was locked on a beached car only for another to slide in and another and another and so on. Still makes me laugh to this day

Author:  IDrinkYourMilkshake [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:59 am ]
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So no one remembers Hamilton's being unable to see a red light in the pit lane and running into the back of Raikkonen in 2008, Canada?
Raikkonen pointed out to him later where the light was and what it means. :lol:

Author:  Siao7 [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:13 am ]
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ob1kenobi.23 wrote:
Although not F1, I always remember this brain fade by Bjorn Wirdheim at Monaco.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jueSUfEBf18


Just as bad as this one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oFLs_Bduu0

Author:  specdecible [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:21 am ]
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potter84 wrote:
I cant remember what year or gp but it was raining and everyone was aqua planning off at the same turn and a collection of f1 cars formed in the gravel but i think in one of his fast thinking moments Hamilton kept the engine going and got them to crane him back on track. Not a gaff but in recent times one of those races that just made me laugh when i thought about it for weeks, the way the camera was locked on a beached car only for another to slide in and another and another and so on. Still makes me laugh to this day

2007 European Grand Prix held at the Nurburgring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhrO1k4V39M

Hamilton did indeed keep the engine running and got let onto the track, but he still failed to score any points. After that race rules where clarified that if you needed any assistance from marshals to get your car back on the track you are out.

Author:  purchville [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:34 am ]
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potter84 wrote:
I cant remember what year or gp but it was raining and everyone was aqua planning off at the same turn and a collection of f1 cars formed in the gravel but i think in one of his fast thinking moments Hamilton kept the engine going and got them to crane him back on track. Not a gaff but in recent times one of those races that just made me laugh when i thought about it for weeks, the way the camera was locked on a beached car only for another to slide in and another and another and so on. Still makes me laugh to this day


2007 European GP at Nurburgring:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhrO1k4V39M

Author:  mds [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:56 am ]
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IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
So no one remembers Hamilton's being unable to see a red light in the pit lane and running into the back of Raikkonen in 2008, Canada?


Well, after having a few people mentioning it on the first page there's not much use to keep repeating it, no? ;)

Author:  TheThirdTenor [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:12 am ]
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Hakkinen crying his eyes out in Monza 99

Alesi forgetting to pit for fuel in Melbourne 97

DC hitting the pit wall in Adelaide 95

Author:  Fiki [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:19 am ]
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TheThirdTenor wrote:
Hakkinen crying his eyes out in Monza 99
I may not understand the precise meaning of a "fail", but how can this be one? To my mind, a driver breaking down in a quiet corner of the Monza park isn't a fail. The decision to put this out on live TV is.

Author:  Covalent [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:50 am ]
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Fiki wrote:
TheThirdTenor wrote:
Hakkinen crying his eyes out in Monza 99
I may not understand the precise meaning of a "fail", but how can this be one? To my mind, a driver breaking down in a quiet corner of the Monza park isn't a fail. The decision to put this out on live TV is.

Yup. And also on TheThirdTenor.

Author:  DrG [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:05 am ]
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Fiki wrote:
TheThirdTenor wrote:
Hakkinen crying his eyes out in Monza 99
I may not understand the precise meaning of a "fail", but how can this be one? To my mind, a driver breaking down in a quiet corner of the Monza park isn't a fail. The decision to put this out on live TV is.

:thumbup: Agreed, all I wanted to do, at the time, was give him a big hug. I had tears in my eyes just watching him & felt like I was intruding on a very private moment :(

Author:  Blake [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:09 pm ]
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mcdo wrote:
Most would probably view this as a fail (I however applauded him for being an absolute hero):

Tiago Monteiro, Indy 2005 podium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dZlG6VyyNA


I was cheering for him too, it wasn't his fault that Michelin royally screwed up. I was at the airport the next day when Monteiro and the team was flying out and I can tell you they were still excited, it was like a bunch of high school boys who had just won a championship game. Kind of refreshing to see that kind of enthusiasm.
:]

Author:  RaisinChips [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:48 pm ]
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Blake wrote:
mcdo wrote:
Most would probably view this as a fail (I however applauded him for being an absolute hero):

Tiago Monteiro, Indy 2005 podium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dZlG6VyyNA


I was cheering for him too, it wasn't his fault that Michelin royally screwed up. I was at the airport the next day when Monteiro and the team was flying out and I can tell you they were still excited, it was like a bunch of high school boys who had just won a championship game. Kind of refreshing to see that kind of enthusiasm.
:]


Sorry but it's a fail. Monteiro appears foolish celebrating and being so smug of his podium finish there. I guess he himself mistakenly believes it was a great achievement to be third in a six car race where the three teams were so disparate in terms of performance that he was only racing against his own teammate Karthikeyan who was never famous for his speed.

Author:  Eva09 [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:19 pm ]
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Fiki wrote:
TheThirdTenor wrote:
Hakkinen crying his eyes out in Monza 99
I may not understand the precise meaning of a "fail", but how can this be one? To my mind, a driver breaking down in a quiet corner of the Monza park isn't a fail. The decision to put this out on live TV is.


Perhaps he refers to the spin-off itself. But Hakkinen was driving in 1999, an era where the spin-off was a possibility even in the dry, as the cars had less grip and were generally less forgiving than today, and gravel traps still existed (IIRC he stalled anyway).

Author:  ManicOversteer [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:35 pm ]
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The Sutil Run!! :D

Author:  Covalent [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:10 pm ]
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specdecible wrote:
How about the Tifosi ripping apart Fisichella┬┤s Benetton when it was parked at the side of the track after the race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSVQndi_GEE

Damn what idiots.

Author:  RaisinChips [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:27 pm ]
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Not a driver fail, but otherwise probably one the biggest fails of recent times was Honda's last stint in F1. Spending years without success and then designing what would turn out to be the championship winning car and selling their team to Brawn who would reap the rewards. Talk about bad timing!

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