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Any good tips on online betting sites? Which sites offer good odds and who are you placing you money on and why? Our local casino in the Philippines isn't offering any F1 odds yet.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:02 am 
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One of my favourite things about this time of year.

Button to win the championship at 7/1 and Kimi at 14/1 (both youwin) to me look the best of a bad bunch for outright title wins.

I thought this was interesting. Hamilton to win the title 18/1, which is the same as Perez, whilst Rosberg is 66/1 (not much better than Kobayashi's 80/1)! Seems the view is if the Merc is good enough to win, Hamilton will effectively rule Rosberg out regardless.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:06 am 
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As much as it pains me to say it, I think it is Alonso's year. Hamilton is out of the picture and for Seb to pull off 4 in a row is a tall order.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:10 am 
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I fancy Button at a 7/1. IF he can get his head round the car, get the ideal setup and if mclaren maintain their peformance and try and minimise the fuel pump issues, button will be in good shape. Last year he was soundly beaten by hamilton despite them being one point apart and despite the car being quick in hammy's hands.

I'll put 10 quid on button!


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:46 pm 
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One of my favourite things about this time of year.

Button to win the championship at 7/1 and Kimi at 14/1 (both youwin) to me look the best of a bad bunch for outright title wins.

I thought this was interesting. Hamilton to win the title 18/1, which is the same as Perez, whilst Rosberg is 66/1 (not much better than Kobayashi's 80/1)! Seems the view is if the Merc is good enough to win, Hamilton will effectively rule Rosberg out regardless.


These are quite good odds, it was 14/1 yesterday, testing must have an impact in that case and the bookies have spotted a lemon, and don't like the W04 either :twisted:

Might be worth a flutter :thumbup:

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No one yet. Not until after the final test.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:41 pm 
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I can see it all coming together for Button. I assume his odds are longer than Vettel and Alonso so I would probably plump for him if anyone.

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Betting is all about seeing value.

Kimi for the WDC is the only value I can see at this stage, the odds evolve massively after the first few rounds and if it looks close you can pick up some great value. I.e. after Alonso/Ferraris terrible Australia last year here was 25/1 to win the title. Vettel was 7/1 during the middle of last year and 10/1 with three races to go in 2010.

In the other direction, after Australia last year Jenson Button was odds on favourite to win the title. 6 races later you could get him at 25/1.

Mark Webber is not a bad bet, all it takes is a few reliability problems for Vettel and Mark to be on form.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:21 pm 
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No-one will be offering fantastic odds just yet. SkyBet are always pretty fair and good with there odds.

I know its not on the subject of F1, but at the weekend I played a 'Super 6', betting on a set-list from the Bookies. I bet the £10 free bet that they gave me, and ended up winning £3800.. There are some unbelievable odds on these sites; if they come off - you can be laughing!


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50:1 for Massa and Grosjean on Skybet is tempting . . .

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:17 pm 
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Two horse race.

Honestly I would put money on vettel. Red bull just get it and its hard to see how they won't e as strong as last year. In fact they started not so great and still easily won so hard to bet against them.

Don't think button or Perez will have it.

Which brings alonso. I know it's testing but Ferrari seem like they will be in better shape.

So vettel and alonso.

Ferrari for constructors may have value

All about timing though. If vettel has a terrible start and odds move ill be straight on it


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:55 pm 
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Malkiiin wrote:
No-one will be offering fantastic odds just yet. SkyBet are always pretty fair and good with there odds.

I know its not on the subject of F1, but at the weekend I played a 'Super 6', betting on a set-list from the Bookies. I bet the £10 free bet that they gave me, and ended up winning £3800.. There are some unbelievable odds on these sites; if they come off - you can be laughing!


You have to re-cycle free bet winnings don't you by a factor of 5? You are going to have to make some large bets to withdraw that. Play Roulette, low stakes (red or black) and you will get to keep most of it.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:01 pm 
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lamo wrote:
Malkiiin wrote:
No-one will be offering fantastic odds just yet. SkyBet are always pretty fair and good with there odds.

I know its not on the subject of F1, but at the weekend I played a 'Super 6', betting on a set-list from the Bookies. I bet the £10 free bet that they gave me, and ended up winning £3800.. There are some unbelievable odds on these sites; if they come off - you can be laughing!


You have to re-cycle free bet winnings don't you by a factor of 5? You are going to have to make some large bets to withdraw that. Play Roulette, low stakes (red or black) and you will get to keep most of it.


Seriously? I did a 380/1 with the £10 free bet.. There's nothing about not being able to withdraw the winnings.. Be gutted if so.. lol!


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You can't withdraw the free amount. Ie it's not returned and a lot of sites have minimum odds for the free bet. If it is returned you usually have to place multiple beta with it.

The best bet is to do match betting.

Say it's any bet matched with free bet up to a tenner. Place tenet on a bet and lay the bet on betfair so you come out evens or a very small loss. Then place your free bet afterwards on a 6/1 and lay the bet on betfair using aargh betting calculator. You will then have free money.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:04 pm 
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w1Y! wrote:
You can't withdraw the free amount


I have just tried to transfer the funds to Bank and had no issues? Just tells me it'll take 2-5 days..

EDIT - Just realized I still have the £10 free bet token and the £10 bet was actually a deposit.

So should I avoid using that free-bet?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:22 pm 
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Don't use a free bet on bets that are dead Cerys such as 1/5 because you will only get 2 back not 12.

http://www.freebets4all.com/matched-bet ... de/laying/

Look up matched betting. It's basicAlly how to convert free bets into free money and absolutely legal


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:22 pm 
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I was trying to see the odds for the various drivers, but it seemed to me that Skybet F1 betting odds were rather poor, especially compared to some quoted up thread?
Slightly OT, but I hope the mods don't delete it as it could be of interest, especially as I noted that you can now bet on virtual motor racing!
Can I ask, having seen the comments regarding playing roulette, etc with your free bet/winnings......
How does anyone get drawn into the online casino thang? I mean, everyone knows that Casino odds are always rigged to favour the house (don't they?) - so, in the end, if you keep playing their game - you will lose........
Now, what I don't understand is how anyone would trust an online casino to play as 'fair' as in real life... I mean, if I asked 10 of you to place a bet on whether the next ard I turn over will be red or black, and 5 place red and 5 place black - I turn an 'imaginery' card and pay out 50%. If, however 6 or 7 select one colour, I say that the card was the other colour - and I win better!! Who's to know different?
Now, I am sure they have rules for this kind of thing, but knowing that rules can be broken, especially when cash is involved - I'd like to know if anyone here consistently uses online gambling/gaming, and more importantly have they consistently won, or even shown via a record of the bets/wins, whether the sytstem is as fair as a real casino?
Just curious.........


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Not sure but just like casinos it'd the odds where they win. Ie a roulette table. It's the 0 which tips the board in their favour. Problem is with online is you play on your own and therefore don't see others win and you play faster. Odds are not in your favour and therefore you are playing something designed for you to lose

I know exactly what you mean but I would hope the code is audited


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w1Y! wrote:
Not sure but just like casinos it'd the odds where they win. Ie a roulette table. It's the 0 which tips the board in their favour.

I know exactly what you mean but I would hope the code is audited


Yeah, well you would think so! - but when I see all the ads on UK Tv for online casinos, it makes me wonder! How do they afford that much TV ad time?
I just think it's a mugs game.......
Years ago, I used to be a bit of a whizz at pinball and table football (ex student - yeah, typical - I know!) and then when I got a job, I used to be able to afford to play the pub bandits - but I used to restrict myself to a few quid to make sure that if it wasn't on the payout cycle - I didn't get drawn in........I just wonder if some folk are getting drawn into stuff they don't understand, and more importantly, whether or not they are simply being taken for a ride!


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I would only *ever* bet on Premiership Football or the Horses.. Everything else is to open to losing.. At least with Footy you can use statistics a little.


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Malkiiin wrote:
I would only *ever* bet on Premiership Football or the Horses.. Everything else is to open to losing.. At least with Footy you can use statistics a little.


You mean the same statistics that the bookies use to set their odds???


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Before the tests began I had a gut feeling that Massa would be in contention for the title this year, and given his odds I am considering a bet but I'd like some extra opinions on this (if I bet I'll be betting $20AUD).


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Malkiiin wrote:
I would only *ever* bet on Premiership Football or the Horses.. Everything else is to open to losing.. At least with Footy you can use statistics a little.


:lol: Is that post serious?

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Kimi and Romain seem to have value.

Ted said on his notebook today that we should wait for the next test to see how really good the Lotus is this year, as their car was really good last year in Jerez and got exposed a bit in further testing.

Its all guess work at this stage because so many things can and will happen, just look at how inconsistent McLaren's car was last year, or the races where the Red Bull looked like crap and how it was super duper at the end of the year.

For pure value as I said, the Lotus boys, but Jenson maybe worth a bit. Lewis is my favorite but I would not touch 18/1 with a barge pole.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:12 pm 
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lamo wrote:
Malkiiin wrote:
I would only *ever* bet on Premiership Football or the Horses.. Everything else is to open to losing.. At least with Footy you can use statistics a little.


:lol: Is that post serious?


Sarcasm..

..I tend to look at previous results, team line-ups, injuries, the referee and venue. Whether a team is pressured, need to win a game etc. most of the time those details are indicative of a winner.

Gambling is all down to luck. I think haha.


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So you look at all the things the odds makers looks at...If you remove the top 5 teams from the equation, only 15% of games are won by the away team in the Premier league. Its not hard to predict winners, hence rubbish odds. Odds will always be rubbish in a two horse contest.

F1 has a lot more variables and can throw up unexpected results due to the vastness and complications of the rules.

The best market to bet on with F1 is fastest in Q2 because you can get some odd results with midfield teams using soft tyres to make it through and topping the session. I have won big with those bets many times. The book makers don't seem to factor it in to odds, as soon a I see a midfield car leave on soft tyres (if all top teams are using hard) I place a £2 bet (usually 30/50 - 1 odds)

Also when a top driver is out of position coming through the field, I find I can much better judge where there will finish than the odds makers by studying the live timing.

Another good time to place a qualifying bet is immediately after a top driver posts a good time in Q1, because many teams sandbag before that point. I have had some big winners from Lewis in the past when he was been 4-5/1 because Vettel dominated practise.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:04 pm 
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Do any of you know any good betting websites for f1.

I usually use ladbrokes for football but it doesn't have many markets for f1.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:36 pm 
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lamo wrote:
So you look at all the things the odds makers looks at...If you remove the top 5 teams from the equation, only 15% of games are won by the away team in the Premier league. Its not hard to predict winners, hence rubbish odds. Odds will always be rubbish in a two horse contest.

F1 has a lot more variables and can throw up unexpected results due to the vastness and complications of the rules.

The best market to bet on with F1 is fastest in Q2 because you can get some odd results with midfield teams using soft tyres to make it through and topping the session. I have won big with those bets many times. The book makers don't seem to factor it in to odds, as soon a I see a midfield car leave on soft tyres (if all top teams are using hard) I place a £2 bet (usually 30/50 - 1 odds)

Also when a top driver is out of position coming through the field, I find I can much better judge where there will finish than the odds makers by studying the live timing.

Another good time to place a qualifying bet is immediately after a top driver posts a good time in Q1, because many teams sandbag before that point. I have had some big winners from Lewis in the past when he was been 4-5/1 because Vettel dominated practise.


Hence why I rarely bet on a 'two horse race' and opt for the Accumulators and Super 4-6.. These odds range between 30/1 upwards of 380/1.
Yes - the reasons the odds are so good is due to the fact you are betting on numerous results going your way..

There was a bet today, 30/1 that Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham would all score in the first half and go into the break in the lead..


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Bet 365 is quite good, they do live betting which is where the money is to be made by reacting immediately to something happening on track.

Another little trick is, if you are at a football match that is not being televised it takes over a minute for the bookies to react to a goal. Have your I-phone set up to place a bet, as soon as the ball hits the net, click bet for team who just scored to win the game and you will get amazing odds. You need to react within 5 seconds of it going in the net though.

I made a few thousand doing this, but the online site deleted my account after a few big wins.

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richardhughes wrote:
As much as it pains me to say it, I think it is Alonso's year. Hamilton is out of the picture and for Seb to pull off 4 in a row is a tall order.


I would love it to be Alonso's year as I think he deserves to be a three time champion like Senna and Stewart and Piquet. I'm not a fan, simply an admirer of his speed and determination.

However, reading Gary Anderson's assessment of the Red Bull car, it seems Vettel will push everyone else into the ground this year.


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Eva09 wrote:
richardhughes wrote:
As much as it pains me to say it, I think it is Alonso's year. Hamilton is out of the picture and for Seb to pull off 4 in a row is a tall order.


I would love it to be Alonso's year as I think he deserves to be a three time champion like Senna and Stewart and Piquet. I'm not a fan, simply an admirer of his speed and determination.

However, reading Gary Anderson's assessment of the Red Bull car, it seems Vettel will push everyone else into the ground this year.


Thought he made mention that the McLaren was a very good car also? So does that eliminate Button and Perez?


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I am cautiously optimistic about the Lotus this year, Kimi could finish two places better than last year in the championship!

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Can someone briefly explain these fraction odds? I dont understand them

And I constantly have this weird feeling it's gonna be Grosjean with nothing to back it up

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5/1 = first number what you win, second number how much you have to place to win that.

25/1 = place £1 bet, win £25

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I like how people say wait til after the second test to decide, firstly just because you start the season best doesn't mean you will continue, secondly red bull have been head and shoulders above in development races through the past few years mclaren came close in terms of keeping up in pace but reliability let them down. So I would say seb or button based on the fact they will have a good development team around them.


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tony747 wrote:
I am cautiously optimistic about the Lotus this year, Kimi could finish two places better than last year in the championship!


I think Lotus are the ones who could provide the real surprise of the season. Both Kimi and Grsjean might be worth a small wager I feel. If they both finish consistently, I reckon they could have a good chance and the constructors too, not sure what the current odds are for that though.


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Reckon alonso and red bull for titles.


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I had some good wins last year.. best was Webber was paying 15-1 to win Monaco. I thought that was great odds considering he had previously won it. Chucked 10 on it and he got there :D

But I mostly dont bet on motorsport. My local has quite a few odds up. The most interesting would be any driver to win a race during the season. I wonder what Maldanado wouldve been paying last year?? Vettel is paying 1.02-1 to win a race :lol:

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lamo wrote:
5/1 = first number what you win, second number how much you have to place to win that.

25/1 = place £1 bet, win £25

So you get the money you bet back as well?

I think Vettel is a strong bet. They have the momentum and not much has changed in the rulebook since last year. Four on the trot seems inevitable.


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Punting on F1 can be very profitable, and it is my second favourite only to horses.

Punting on the WDC however, is not that valuable. It's effectively a very long term bet, in which all manner of things can go on between March and November. However, I believe Button will win the WDC and have taken on odds at 7/1

However, where money is to be made is on individual weekends. Betting in-play is where it's at as the more knowledgeable punter will know where things are at when events such as SC and rain comes into play.

Laying is also easy money.

I would suggest anyone who wants to make a profit over an F1 season opens up a Betfair (or any other exchange account) as this is the best medium for F1 punting, especially as bookies suspend markets quite often during the course of the weekend.

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