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If you're a top driver with definite number 1 status on your team, who would you want to be as your teammate?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:40 pm 
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Mark Webber. His team mate has won the last three WDC.

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Any one of Button, Webber, Massa or Schumacher (as they were in 2010-2012). I would have them for their experience, ability and slightly off-pace speed, assuming I'm Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel or Raikkonen.

Definitely not Michael before that. Maybe not Webber in 2010, too close.

Gerhard Berger was once asked for his ideal number two: "Someone 3-seconds a lap slower."

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Laura23 wrote:
Mark Webber. His team mate has won the last three WDC.


Or Rubinho maybe? His two mates won WDCs.

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Adit N. wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Mark Webber. His team mate has won the last three WDC.


Or Rubinho maybe? His two mates won WDCs.

I'd rather have Webber. He at least is an honest bloke, he'd tell you straight if you were being a penis and to not be a penis please.

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Barrichello circa early 2000s, now? Massa as he ended last season. Takes up points of other drivers and will move if asked. I feel really bad for using him like that but that's how I'd go.

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Massa moved for Alonso, Rubens for Schumi, and Piquet Jr. to the wall. I feel bad for Brazilians.

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Barrichello circa early 2000s, now? Massa as he ended last season. Takes up points of other drivers and will move if asked. I feel really bad for using him like that but that's how I'd go.

Massa Brazil 2012 spec is a good shout. He was carving his way through the field like a hot knife through butter as well as hauling his team mate along behind him at one point. Then he did the sublime move on Webber boxing him in to let Alonso slide past both of the whilst getting ahead of Webber himself. The guy was on fire that day!

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Laura23 wrote:
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Barrichello circa early 2000s, now? Massa as he ended last season. Takes up points of other drivers and will move if asked. I feel really bad for using him like that but that's how I'd go.

Massa Brazil 2012 spec is a good shout. He was carving his way through the field like a hot knife through butter as well as hauling his team mate along behind him at one point. Then he did the sublime move on Webber boxing him in to let Alonso slide past both of the whilst getting ahead of Webber himself. The guy was on fire that day!


Agree on that. Probably the best 'wingman' drive I've seen.

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Laura23 wrote:
Adit N. wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Mark Webber. His team mate has won the last three WDC.


Or Rubinho maybe? His two mates won WDCs.

I'd rather have Webber. He at least is an honest bloke, he'd tell you straight if you were being a penis and to not be a penis please.

Mark would say please? 8O

Nobody. If I'm not confident enough to race my teammate, I don't deserve to be paid obscene amounts of money.

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Fiki wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Adit N. wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Mark Webber. His team mate has won the last three WDC.


Or Rubinho maybe? His two mates won WDCs.

I'd rather have Webber. He at least is an honest bloke, he'd tell you straight if you were being a penis and to not be a penis please.

Mark would say please? 8O

Nobody. If I'm not confident enough to race my teammate, I don't deserve to be paid obscene amounts of money.


Sometimes beating your teammate is not enough. If you're fighting for WDC you would want a reliable driver alongside you to take points from your rival.

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Fernando Alonso.....j/k

Raikkonen probably. He scores good points, would be able to hold other drivers up and doesn't seem that bothered about being No.1 (or bothered about anything really).

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Fernando Alonso.....j/k
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Raikkonen probably. He scores good points, would be able to hold other drivers up and doesn't seem that bothered about being No.1 (or bothered about anything really).
I don't imagine he'd care in theory but on track he's his own man. I can't see him moving over for anyone.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:55 am 
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Webber, of course!

In the past it used to be Reubens Barrichello and to a certain extent Eddie Irvine...


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Always thought Riccardo Patrese was a good wingman for Mansell


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Narain. He can hold everyone up for me :P

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Id Prefer Massa or Rosberg.

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Adit N. wrote:
Fiki wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Adit N. wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Mark Webber. His team mate has won the last three WDC.


Or Rubinho maybe? His two mates won WDCs.

I'd rather have Webber. He at least is an honest bloke, he'd tell you straight if you were being a penis and to not be a penis please.

Mark would say please? 8O

Nobody. If I'm not confident enough to race my teammate, I don't deserve to be paid obscene amounts of money.


Sometimes beating your teammate is not enough. If you're fighting for WDC you would want a reliable driver alongside you to take points from your rival.
A driver who is respected, will do so when the time comes, without having to be a number 2.

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Alonso/Vettel/Hamilton, because...

1) If any one of them was my number two, then I'd sure as hell be the class of the field.
2) They would push me to my limits
3) The tantrums when they get asked to let me through would be highly amusing.

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Alonso/Vettel/Hamilton, because...

1) If any one of them was my number two, then I'd sure as hell be the class of the field.
2) They would push me to my limits
3) The tantrums when they get asked to let me through would be highly amusing.

:lol: :thumbup:

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Fiki wrote:
coulthards chin wrote:
Alonso/Vettel/Hamilton, because...

1) If any one of them was my number two, then I'd sure as hell be the class of the field.
2) They would push me to my limits
3) The tantrums when they get asked to let me through would be highly amusing.

:lol: :thumbup:


I was thinking of Massa/Webber, but sod that. This answer covers me!

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Adit N. wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
AngusWolfe wrote:
Barrichello circa early 2000s, now? Massa as he ended last season. Takes up points of other drivers and will move if asked. I feel really bad for using him like that but that's how I'd go.

Massa Brazil 2012 spec is a good shout. He was carving his way through the field like a hot knife through butter as well as hauling his team mate along behind him at one point. Then he did the sublime move on Webber boxing him in to let Alonso slide past both of the whilst getting ahead of Webber himself. The guy was on fire that day!


Agree on that. Probably the best 'wingman' drive I've seen.


Agreed, Massa did a very good job. Schumi at Malaysia '99 was pretty good.

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Of all time? Rubens

Right now? Massa

Both selfless team players who in most cases do as they are told. Ferrari seem to be good for the most of the past decade at creating a clear number 1 and 2 driver to avoid in-fighting.

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Oh I have to participate on this one have I not?

Being completely honest, Massa, Barrichello would whine, Webber would complain, Massa would only happily help.
Being amusingly evil, Grosejan so we could unleash him on others but myself.
Being plainly evil, Nelson Piquet Jr.

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SchumieRules wrote:
Fiki wrote:
coulthards chin wrote:
Alonso/Vettel/Hamilton, because...

1) If any one of them was my number two, then I'd sure as hell be the class of the field.
2) They would push me to my limits
3) The tantrums when they get asked to let me through would be highly amusing.

:lol: :thumbup:


I was thinking of Massa/Webber, but sod that. This answer covers me!

Yep, me too. :lol:

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So who's the "turd" in F1...

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coulthards chin wrote:
Alonso/Vettel/Hamilton, because...

1) If any one of them was my number two, then I'd sure as hell be the class of the field.
2) They would push me to my limits
3) The tantrums when they get asked to let me through would be highly amusing.



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Barichello, Massa, Button, any of these seem to be nice guys. On the opposite side of the list would be Hamilton, Alonso, Perez, Webber.

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RickM wrote:
Narain. He can hold everyone up for me :P


Grosjean - he can take everyone out for me...

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Trulli ... and you know the answer. choo choo

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coulthards chin wrote:
Alonso/Vettel/Hamilton, because...

1) If any one of them was my number two, then I'd sure as hell be the class of the field.
2) They would push me to my limits
3) The tantrums when they get asked to let me through would be highly amusing.


:lol: Good points!

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Adit N. wrote:
Massa moved for Alonso, Rubens for Schumi, and Piquet Jr. to the wall. I feel bad for Brazilians.


Your mention of number two driver Nelson Piquet jnr : he was a really fast rookie when measured against team-mate Alonso in 2008. And when you consider that he hardly had any testing (hogged by Fred) his performances were outstanding. According to my stats Grosjean was 0.3% slower than Piquet on average, for the seven races after he took over. Grosjean too was fast in 2009 for a rookie with little testing. RoGro now is really fast.

Piquet jnr was great loss to F1. Had he stayed with Renault, he'd have been teamed with Kubica for 2010. Imo this would have been a formidable pair.

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Gerhard Berger...

...as long as you didn't mind frogs and could stand a practical joke :)

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Alonso. If I couldn't beat him I wouldn't be able to face myself in the mirror. ;)

...On the other hand, if I wanted an easier life, I'd choose Rosberg. Good driver, nice guy.

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Massa moved for Alonso, Rubens for Schumi, and Piquet Jr. to the wall. I feel bad for Brazilians.


Your mention of number two driver Nelson Piquet jnr : he was a really fast rookie when measured against team-mate Alonso in 2008. And when you consider that he hardly had any testing (hogged by Fred) his performances were outstanding. According to my stats Grosjean was 0.3% slower than Piquet on average, for the seven races after he took over. Grosjean too was fast in 2009 for a rookie with little testing. RoGro now is really fast.

Piquet jnr was great loss to F1. Had he stayed with Renault, he'd have been teamed with Kubica for 2010. Imo this would have been a formidable pair.

In qualifying Grosjean was quicker than Piquet

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I'd say Button or Massa. They're both experienced and good drivers and I don't believe either of them is political,would try to hold back information or play games to gain an advantage.


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Massa not political...mmmmaybe. But Button is a really political animal (and I'm saying this as one of his fans). Luckily, with Hamilton leaving, he's pushed as a no 1 driver, just hope he can deliver like in the Honda/Brawn days.

As for other favorite no. 2 drivers, I would have to go with Coulthard and Herbert.

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Massa not political...mmmmaybe. But Button is a really political animal (and I'm saying this as one of his fans). Luckily, with Hamilton leaving, he's pushed as a no 1 driver, just hope he can deliver like in the Honda/Brawn days.

As for other favorite no. 2 drivers, I would have to go with Coulthard and Herbert.


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Barrichello for me. He formed part of the most successful partnership in history I believe.

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Probably a toss between Massa, Webber and Button.


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