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It'll be fun watching them race Mondeo engines.

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That will teach me to post comments while drunk.

Cant see what the fuss is about - V6 Turbos have been in F1 before & nobody was complaining about what noise the cars make!
If it is a issue, just get some chavs to stick a halfords fat exhaust on the F1 cars - they seem to think it makes 1.1 Litre Corsas sound sporty.

Well they're running round with Mustang engines no probs at the moment, although I suspect they have more than 300hp on tap.

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Oh and Bernie, National flags should be raised not flipped. Sort it!

My point is that it's not worth comparing an F1 engine with a road car engine.

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Oh and Bernie, National flags should be raised not flipped. Sort it!

The teams don't want Bernie to continue to take more than half of the revenue from F1 either...

fat chance of changing that too

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There's been some wonderfully insightful comments, it reminds me why I like this forum, that I learn a lot.

Last night I was watching a video named "Secret Life of F1" http://youtu.be/v5WP-IqICI8 (highly recommended) and at 21:00 a statement was made that we should never forget. It states that basically there are two types of fans, the ones who go to the races, and the ones who really matter, the TV audience.

Through TV Formula One is watched by hundreds of millions each race, a persistent global presence that is not lost to the advertising world. It's that advertising money that powers the sport, something that Bernie knows every second of his existence.

Many of us are die-hard fans, we will watch Formula One no matter what, even if the exhausts sound like Uncle Fred's flatulence. It would take something traumatic to alter our passion and devotion to this wonderful sport. We don't matter to Bernie's machinations, we are already locked in to watching the racing. But it's others, the casual TV audience are the ones that he is trying to influence, and that's a fact we should not lose sight of whenever we discuss Bernie.

You're right. Nobody did complain about the sound of the engines during the turbo era. Most of those spitting their dummies out now about how bad they're going to sound weren't even born when F1 cars last had turbo engines.

They'll sound just fine. Different, but fine. Maybe even better than the current V8's, which don't sound too great on TV in my opinion when compared to previous incarnations.

FYI until last year the teams were getting 57%. Thats more the 50% and this year the teams are getting 63% of the revenues. Thats still more than 50% last time I checked.

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@JohnnyGuitar and the rest: The Sound argument was started by the circuit owners saying it will put off the spectators. For the teams that has Never been the main concern. What Bernie is talking about the cost of the engines. The current engine deal for most teams is around 7M to 10M, Many experts say that cost will DOUBLE with all the R&D invested i it

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Hmm, if you can squeeze in a V-12 I might give you my credit card number.........

How would you do it, have a filter to accept just the high frequency noise, and translate that into a V-8 (or V-12 in my case)? Take the sound of a turbo V-6, double the frequency and make the amplitude more extreme?

Back to topic, I've watched Formula One for many years, and although I revel in their glorious sounds, I also never lost any sleep when engine formulas changed. I missed them with fond remembrance (as many do with the V-10's) but I still faithfully watched every race.

I hear what you're trying to say but either way all of those same pitfalls and shortcomings will apply to the engines only the order might be reshuffled a tad and once the engines are approved they will not be changing outside of some minor things that would be changed universally by all the manufacturers which might then change it up a wee bit more.

I also watch my races on TV but the noise does in fact have an impact on me because I have a killer surround sound system and when I'm watching my family knows what I'm watching because they can feel it. I've been a motor sports fan my entire life and for me there has never been a more beautiful sound than the larger F1 engines and the CART engines from back in the day. All this talk about the FIA wanting to conform in order to have what they perceive to be "greater appeal' to the casual watcher (let's stop using the word fan) is nothing more than total and utter BS. A casual watcher has absolutely no idea about anything going on in a race and if you ask them what they think is going on about 90% would likely say oh just a bunch of cars going around in circles. The engines don't matter to the casual watcher because they just couldn't be bothered to know anything and most watch for only a short period of time. REAL fans like us who eat, breathe, sleep, poop, and live for the thrill of F1 know what we like because we have the experience to KNOW what's what and what IS more appealing to us as passionate followers of the sport.

Adding to that last bit, smaller turbo engines are old technology in the most basic sense which is likely the maximum level of interest for the casual watcher and IF the FIA's goal is to prove more appealing to the casual watchers, those peoples' level of enthusiasm over such knowledge would be exactly this or less:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcH-3d-BZn4


This is total nonsense, and in the pinnacle of motorsport (I don't want to hear that F1 is no longer that) engines should be a bit ferocious in every way and with the manufacturers like Ferrari, like Mercedes, Like McLaren who build exotic Super Cars of which a great deal of appeal is derived from their monstrously powerful engines and the sounds they emanate, it makes no sense for them to be forced to run smaller engines in order to TRY and grow the fan base. Those who watch the sport and get hooked do so because of the competitiveness and the speed of the cars and the amazing abilities of the drivers. Sure, many things can have a direct affect on that but with all the restrictions in place in today's F1, why punish the fans with things we don't want rather than go with what we love?


Makes no sense to me in any way and it never will and I don't care about the casual watchers as they don't care about the sport in any capacity. Hell, i even know this one guy I used to work with who's life goal was to own a Ferrari because he had to have one and he finally did and the guy has never watched an F1 race. Ironically most of the people in his Ferrari club haven't either.


I will ALWAYS long for the return of V10's and 12's and NOTHING WILL EVER COME CLOSE!!!


NOTHING says hello race track, welcome fans quite like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT36kC2pwAc (20 second mark - SPLOOGE!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVBuTMCpIeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNbgqBnHrMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1InrgZiv30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybXC1Y6tAa8 (from the 1 minute mark on)

They sound like fighter Jets and the sound communicates SPEED.


Catalog is in so back to work, Rant over! LOL

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Doubling the sound resonance will simply make the roar smoother more seamless but the tone will not change.

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I think by now the teams have more than enough knowledge to know what type of loads the engines will be under and what amount of cooling, acceleration rates, etc to follow along the correct path. The V8's when released were all pretty much up to similar power levels and only Cosworthless since 2009 has been at a power disadvantage without much if any improvement. The ONLY modifications they should be allowed to make are to strengthen components should they be prone to failure.

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One interesting point I would like to bring up is that the turbo V-6's are designed with the same mounting points. In theory, you could take a Renault out of a car and install a Mercedes, or Ferrari powerplant with minor modifications. This is a double-edged sword. For the engine manufacturers, if you get it wrong a team could switch to other engine manufacturers. For the teams, you could dump the engine if it isn't up to par.

This also makes it appealing for engine manufacturers presently not engaged in Formula one, such as .. cough cough, Honda. They could build a Formula One engine not specific to any one chassis.

Renault unveils first images of its 2014 Formula 1 V6 turbo engine

Renault has unveiled the first images of the new V6 turbo engine that it believes will help attract fans back to Formula 1.

The new 1.6-litre turbocharged unit has already run extensively on the dyno at Renault's Viry-Chatillon facilities, but will not have its track debut until the start of next year.

Renault Sport's F1 chief Jean-Michel Jalinier believes that the move to more economical, technologically advanced engines will prove to be a big boost for both car makers and the sport itself.

"It will be a better tool to communicate than the current V8 engine," he explained.

"We can get some fans back to F1."

Renault's engine technical director Rob White also believes that the new power-units will provide a good spectacle as well as being more relevant than the current V8 engines.

"F1 is still going to be very loud, it is still going to be a very violent event," he said.

"You can see on the test bed that even with relatively slow shifts on a relatively low transient dyno, that gear shifts are rapid and violent.

"And the big glowing red thing at the back of the engine in front of the gearbox [the Energy Recovery System] is also going to be a thing of some spectacle."

I recall the old turbo engines used to spit out huge flames when down-shifting (slowing down) will we see the same fire works with the new engines?

When are they going to post an mp3 of one of them on a dyno -- or do they sound so bad they'll just keep that to themselves until next year?

Testing next year is going to be interesting...

No

So Renault has put the new engine on display then. Anyone heard the sound of it?

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