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According to Sky Sports and other sources on twitter!

Not sure if there was a dedicated thread so apologies if there is.

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Wow! When is his gardening leave?


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On gardening leave already apparently.... if he is I could do with a hand, my conifers are well out of control!

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wtf ? them mercedes are going to have 5 stand-alone technical directors in 2014


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It will be interesting to see how the technical teams structure themselves in the coming months.

I also reckon that even though Paddy is on gardening leave he will still be communicating with Mercedes team on the quiet!

Makes for exciting times I think!

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It will be interesting to see how the technical teams structure themselves in the coming months.

I also reckon that even though Paddy is on gardening leave he will still be communicating with Mercedes team on the quiet!

Makes for exciting times I think!



If he does and Macca find out it's breach of contract and McLaren can take him to the cleaners.

After '07 McLaren would likely goto the FIA too.

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That's a big surprise. I thought it would be bad timing to move to Mercedes now, because McLaren obviously would put him on gardening leave immediately and by doing that would make him start the 2014-season one year behind everybody else regarding the new rules.

But apparently I have overestimated the importance of that problem.


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Is Paddy Lowe (or the promise of him) another part of the 'package' that enticed Hamilton to Merc?
It may not have been sweetness and light at Macca for LH recently, but as many have said before, he must have had some serious enticement to give up a deffo competitive seat?


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Thats big news, is that a case of following the money or following Hamilton?

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Thats big news, is that a case of following the money or following Hamilton?

I heared a rumour Lowe is not happy with how Whitmarsh runs the team & also was not happy about how the great opportunities for the WDC & WCC were wasted 2012 at McLaren

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i have had enough rumours, transfer talks , predictions blah blah blah , i wanna see what is that all about .and that is racing


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Thats big news, is that a case of following the money or following Hamilton?


The money was where Hamilton was, Hamilton is where the money is...

They couldn't buy the entire McLaren team, they buy it piece by piece.

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Haribo wrote:
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Thats big news, is that a case of following the money or following Hamilton?

I heared a rumour Lowe is not happy with how Whitmarsh runs the team & also was not happy about how the great opportunities for the WDC & WCC were wasted 2012 at McLaren


Wow you hear a lot

If he was unhappy how McLaren lost the WDC and WCC he should count himself as part of the failure!

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Haribo wrote:
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Thats big news, is that a case of following the money or following Hamilton?

I heared a rumour Lowe is not happy with how Whitmarsh runs the team & also was not happy about how the great opportunities for the WDC & WCC were wasted 2012 at McLaren

Well it has to be said Mercedes themselves were a bit of a shambles last season, but interesting to hear that, i know Lowe had strong ties with Hamilton at McLaren and always spoke up for him in particular during the difficult 2011 season so i was thinking this might have been a factor as well?

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Harpo wrote:
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Thats big news, is that a case of following the money or following Hamilton?


The money was where Hamilton was, Hamilton is where the money is...

They couldn't buy the entire McLaren team, they buy it piece by piece.


Interesting thought as some key personnel at Mercedes would know who was worth poaching!

I have supported McLaren for a number of seasons, primarily becuase I follow Hamilton and was surprised with myself how quickly this year I have started rooting for Mercedes.

McLaren seem to be losing their way a little... maybe that's a bit extreme, but it feels that way to me - Whitmarsh increasingly annoys me too!

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What does paddy lowe bring to a team anyway? is it a good move by mercedes?


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Johnston wrote:
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It will be interesting to see how the technical teams structure themselves in the coming months.

I also reckon that even though Paddy is on gardening leave he will still be communicating with Mercedes team on the quiet!

Makes for exciting times I think!



If he does and Macca find out it's breach of contract and McLaren can take him to the cleaners.

After '07 McLaren would likely goto the FIA too.


I appreciate that it's a breach, but I'm guessing this sort of thing does go on behind closed doors in all types of industries including F1.

I doubt he will spend 12 months twiddling his thumbs?

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Bravo! Niki Lauda was counted out on some other message boards. Looks like he delivered Paddy Lowe. ;)


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SilverstoneRegular wrote:
Haribo wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Thats big news, is that a case of following the money or following Hamilton?

I heared a rumour Lowe is not happy with how Whitmarsh runs the team & also was not happy about how the great opportunities for the WDC & WCC were wasted 2012 at McLaren


Wow you hear a lot

If he was unhappy how McLaren lost the WDC and WCC he should count himself as part of the failure!


Well, he didnt make the gearbox nor did he decide the amount of fuel that goes into the car or the pitstops did he?


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Thats big news, is that a case of following the money or following Hamilton?



Well if Toto hadn't have went to Merc Lowe would most likely be going to Williams as that's where Toto originally talked Lowe into going to.

So I don't know why other people are lauding Lauda for it.

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Ev0lutionz wrote:
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Haribo wrote:
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Thats big news, is that a case of following the money or following Hamilton?

I heared a rumour Lowe is not happy with how Whitmarsh runs the team & also was not happy about how the great opportunities for the WDC & WCC were wasted 2012 at McLaren


Wow you hear a lot

If he was unhappy how McLaren lost the WDC and WCC he should count himself as part of the failure!


Well, he didnt make the gearbox nor did he decide the amount of fuel that goes into the car or the pitstops did he?



But yet whitmarsh was supposed to fall on the sword for those gaffs. Especially when as Technical Director Lowe was closer to the Gaffs than Whitmarsh

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Johnston wrote:
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Haribo wrote:
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Thats big news, is that a case of following the money or following Hamilton?

I heared a rumour Lowe is not happy with how Whitmarsh runs the team & also was not happy about how the great opportunities for the WDC & WCC were wasted 2012 at McLaren


Wow you hear a lot

If he was unhappy how McLaren lost the WDC and WCC he should count himself as part of the failure!


Well, he didnt make the gearbox nor did he decide the amount of fuel that goes into the car or the pitstops did he?



But yet whitmarsh was supposed to fall on the sword for those gaffs. Especially when as Technical Director Lowe was closer to the Gaffs than Whitmarsh


I don't think any single team member should be asked to fall on his/her sword for the mistakes at McLaren but you can understand that perhaps his knowledge of internal issues may have caused him to start considering his own future.

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Johnston wrote:
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Thats big news, is that a case of following the money or following Hamilton?



Well if Toto hadn't have went to Merc Lowe would most likely be going to Williams as that's where Toto originally talked Lowe into going to.

So I don't know why other people are lauding Lauda for it.

Good point having not known the Williams connection before, Toto must have a fair bit of clout?

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Someone should tell Ross(I'm still in charge) Brawn, he's always the last to know what's happening in the team


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Further speculation: http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/feb/ ... f1-mclaren

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one of the pillars backing up Hamilton's move to Mercedes looks to be on the brink - Brawn.

Every day Hamiltons move looks worse and worse.


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Ways to skin a cat?

Take their top man and add him to your team = win / lose
Or, Just take their top man away = Same / lose.

Either way it closes the gap to Mclaren

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one of the pillars backing up Hamilton's move to Mercedes looks to be on the brink - Brawn.

Every day Hamiltons move looks worse and worse.

Well i can't see how Paddy Lowe going to Merdedes makes Hamilton's move look worse

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pokerman wrote:
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one of the pillars backing up Hamilton's move to Mercedes looks to be on the brink - Brawn.

Every day Hamiltons move looks worse and worse.

Well i can't see how Paddy Lowe going to Merdedes makes Hamilton's move look worse


I can't either.

I understand that Ross Brawn is a successful figure in the world of F1, but if things don't go well in 2013 he will have had enough years at Merc to become successful and not really delivered. The team will then be at a point where he either stays on in a less technical capacity or moves aside for Paddy & co to try to deliver a race winning car.

I think this really does prove that the focus is most definitely on 2014 rather than this season in my opinion.

It also points to a sustained presence of Mercedes in the sport which can only be a good thing!

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i have had enough rumours, transfer talks , predictions blah blah blah , i wanna see what is that all about .and that is racing


Maybe forums aren't the right place for you then! ;)


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Just so you know, I noticed that. No one else picked up on it, and I'm sure you'd appreciate the knowledge that someone noticed. Well, it was me. ;)


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pokerman wrote:
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one of the pillars backing up Hamilton's move to Mercedes looks to be on the brink - Brawn.

Every day Hamiltons move looks worse and worse.

Well i can't see how Paddy Lowe going to Merdedes makes Hamilton's move look worse



Well if you move to get away from The team it's not good if the team follows you.

Besides that Paddy has had a lead role in some of those cars he didn't win a WDC in.

anyway.

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Museli wrote:
one of the pillars backing up Hamilton's move to Mercedes looks to be on the brink - Brawn.

Every day Hamiltons move looks worse and worse.

Quite the opposite

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So Macca have confirmed his leaving.

Last I looked Merc were refusing to comment.

Maybe not such a done deal anyway?

And Haribo, If you left a job because of the way things were would you be happy when one of the guys responsible followed you and one of the guys you were looking forward to working with moved on?

Like it or not if Lewis had problems at Macca, as TD Paddy Lowe was part of those problems.

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Hmmm... Either Brawn or Bell out. Probably Bell, given that he is the technical director of Mercedes F1.


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So Macca have confirmed his leaving.

Last I looked Merc were refusing to comment.

Maybe not such a done deal anyway?

And Haribo, If you left a job because of the way things were would you be happy when one of the guys responsible followed you and one of the guys you were looking forward to working with moved on?

Like it or not if Lewis had problems at Macca, as TD Paddy Lowe was part of those problems.

I always got the impression that Hamilton got on well with Paddy, Paddy always came across as being one of Hamilton's biggest supporters at the team

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I always got the impression that Hamilton got on well with Paddy, Paddy always came across as being one of Hamilton's biggest supporters at the team



As TD though Paddy was responsible for those cars that kept breaking ;)

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I doubt he will spend 12 months twiddling his thumbs?

i guess that's what makes the difference between me and those F1 guys... 10 months at home on a high payroll? where do i sign up?! ;)

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Johnston wrote:
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one of the pillars backing up Hamilton's move to Mercedes looks to be on the brink - Brawn.

Every day Hamiltons move looks worse and worse.

Well i can't see how Paddy Lowe going to Merdedes makes Hamilton's move look worse



Well if you move to get away from The team it's not good if the team follows you.

Besides that Paddy has had a lead role in some of those cars he didn't win a WDC in.

anyway.


But that would be true only if all of the team was bad for Lewis and therefore if any followed it would be bad...

HOWEVER, if Lowe is a positive aspect of Mclaren as far as Lewis is concerned, then him moving to Merc for next season is a big positive for Lewis...

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