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Here's my source to back that media day claim up to!

https://twitter.com/jensonbutton/status ... 6424599553

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Bit hard to say nothing when you spend most of the day with the British media. Would make pretty piss poor TV just watching Checo and JB sitting there saying nothing.

And no it doesn't only count for Button I thought I made that clear with

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

I will remind you by time

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No need to remind me I don't hang on every word

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Here's Jenson' earlier comment I guess both comments are somewhat true in as much as Mclaren will survive but nevertheless it's a big blow to lose two major players at once .

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105709

Contradictions do not exist.
Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction,
Check you premises.
You will find that one of them is wrong

Ayn Rand

agreed I am now rooting for merc because thats where lewis is. Glad they got lowe now.

question...can Lowe be in the Mercedes garages during the race without actually doing any work like Sam Micheal was doing last year before he officially joined Mclaren or so they need to get permission from Mclaren?

they will need permission.

well it would seem this is a done deal as OP says regardless of what Lauda says about "maybe this isnt a done deal", i dunno how i feel about this move as personally i think that Brawn as a TP is better than Lowe can do for Merc, i think its obvious that Brawn will leave in 2014 and i think that Brawn is the best TP there is in existance right now, i mean what has Lowe achieved seriously? i am genuinely asking as i dont follow the achievements of TPs and TDs very much, Merc have several TDs so what can Lowe add beyond what he knows of McLaren

Merc's plan is clear. Buy all the knowledge and leave the other teams with none. Even if we are not doing a good job thereafter, our opposition would be even worse as they do not have the staff to cope.

Their budget must be massive!

I get the feeling that Lauda is on a mission here and that it may be awefull to work for Merc as Lauda would take no prisoners. So if the results are not there the noose will be around your neck all the time.

I cannot see good teamwork with so many egos around

Until Merc actually release a statement I wouldn't take it as granted. Lowe has been caught with his pants down. It's come to light he was talking to Williams and then being lined up as a successor to Brawn. That puts Lowe in a very bad place.

No team is going to want someone that's sniffing around other people around especially when it's not one team but two. So until the move is official it could simply be a case of Ron doesn't want him around the F1 team anymore especially when he's a free agent at the end of the year.

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I think it is a safe bet to say that Lauda had tried to get Newey, so what made Newey stay? did he offer him less than what he gets at RBR? Did Newey want to stay at the place he created? or did Newey just think Merc management is crap?

I think with Newey he doesn't want to go to a team that means answering to a board. and why would you where he is he's one of the two top men. They only really answer to DM himself, not justify their worth to a load of suits in another country.

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McLaren got caught with their pants down too. They've lose two big names in less than 6 months because they were stalling around them. They may very well have good reasons for doing so but in both cases the other team has simply offered more cash and got the result they want.

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Lauda went after Newey for Jaguar in 2001 but it didn't happen. One wonders if Newey isn't keen on Lauda's approach to management.

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As yet Paddy is not confirmed by Merc so as yet you cannot say Merc has offered more cash. His going to Merc ATM is all rumour and speculation NOT fact.

As for pants down and losing two big names because the other offered more money.


Say the rumours are true and Paddy is away to Merc. Out of the two teams Merc and McLaren if you were asked to put money on which one will still be in F1 in 5 years time, which would it be?

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It is the worst kept secret in F1. He's going to Merc, for a lot of money.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/moto ... 12596.html

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/188415/1/t ... neale.html

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From your own links

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Lowe is going to Merc Johnston. Just about everyone in the business knows it. Just like Alonso and Ferrari back in 09, Kimi and Ferrari in 06. Everyone knows it's happening regardless of official word. The fact he left McLaren in the first place proves that and the fact Brawn admitted they were looking at Lowe for the future mere weeks ago.

Lowe will be a Mercedes employee by Jan 2014 at the latest. But if you want to continue living in denial so you can wind up the Lewis fans you keep going buddy.

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I'm not in denial but as it's not confirmed it's still speculation I'd rather talk known facts . Other comments have had "Deal done in principle" As we all know in principle can change to no deal. As a schui fan you should know that in Principle doesn't mean much

As for leaving read Neales comments that I quoted above.

Lowe has now been caught talking to Williams and Merc. Now if you were a team boss would you want someone who has been in talks with two teams around your F1 car in the year before his contract naturally ends?

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Schumacher never had a deal done for 2013. He stalled on signing.

The likelihood is Lowe has already signed for Mercedes for next year. The fact McLaren have stuck him in gardening leave kinda confirms that. Williams can't compete with the money Merc would have offered him anyway.

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I never mentioned 2013. think about it when did Schui have a deal done in principle and not follow through.

The gardening leave doesn't confirm it. His contract is up at the end of the year and he's been very publicly caught talking to two teams.

In that situation would you let someone work out their contract as a central figure of the 2014 car?

EDIT: Remember Brawn was put on a years gardening leave when he left Ferrari before he had another Job lined up.

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Lowe is going to Mercedes. That much is obvious to everyone except you Johnston. I suspect you just like winding people up on here these days.

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It may be obvious but it's not fact. It doesn't become fact until it's official.

Unless you can provide me Lowe or Merc saying it is true it is still speculation and assumption. Is that not obvious?

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So he is on gardening leave, not holding a position, and the team are talking about members leaving for telephone number salaries and Jenson has just said having Tim Goss is awesome (as he designed the 2012 car) and good luck to Paddy in his new pursuit.
The team even said they are not responsible for the move!

Yes you are right, he may not be leaving after all.

I am sorry it is a FACT, confirmed by Mclaren.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105726

I never said he wasn't leaving. I said the going to merc ATM is speculation.

And as yet NO ONE has offically said he's going to MERC.

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I think it is a little more than speculation. Hardly anyone is speculation, most have accepted it is a done deal already. No one is saying he might go, he is going.

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Okay then bring me a source that 100% confirms it and is official not based on "My Sources say" "Deal done in Principal" or "Insiders say" or similar.

something that bona fide says from Merc or Paddy that he is on his way to Merc.

BTW it's 11:25 GMT 27th Feb 2013.

Just one.

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I understand what Johnston is saying in as much as it hasn't been officially confirmed by Mercedes yet, but surely we can agree that it is happening?

There is too much evidence in recent weeks and months to suggest that this is happening.... no point debating it endlessly.... it is only a matter of time.

I am excited for what this could mean of the Mercedes team, but it does make me feel a little more aprehensive as to what the 2013 season is going to provide!

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Johnston just likes winding people up about trivial things. We all knows where Lowe is heading, all the journo's know, McLaren know, only Johnston doesn't appear to know.

He probably didn't believe Alonso and Kimi were going to Ferrari until they won their first races in the red cars.

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When all the papers have announced that he is moving, Mclaren themselves have said yes he is going and therefore put him on gardenig leave, how can it still be speculation. Yes Merc has not officially announced it, but it was a well know fact they were courting him. He is obviously quiet because he is going. If your working and your company asked you to leave thinking your going to a rival, when your not, would you still keep quiet and accept your termination? Or would you make a noise about it.

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Only a few weeks ago Senna to FI was a done deal, Glock was racing for Marussia . Last year Webber had signed for Ferrari Lewis signed for Merc about 6 weeks before he decided to go. Macca had no plan B.

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Mercedes probably haven't announced anything because they still have to sort out what they are doing with Ross Brawn. He said himself if he leaves Lowe will arrive so I'm imagining his deal is being bargained now and as soon as that is done Lowe will be publicly announced.

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Seriously Johnston, reading your comments, im sure most of them here are doing the samething that guy in your profile pic is doing. BTW is that Ron Dennis?

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The possibility is quite high it's Mercedes. could have been Williams, but the talk from McLaren about a "exotic" salary seems to hint at a team with more money than Williams or even McLaren themselves.
I doubt it will be RBR,or Ferrari, but who knows, stranger things have happened

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And Brawn has said he isn't going anywhere. So if the "Deal in principle" relies on Brawn going Paddy might not have a job to go to.

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Senna never signed for FI, Webber never signed for Ferrari and prove Lewis signed his deal 6 weeks before he even decided to leave. He decided to leave McLaren and signed for Merc after that! He said as much himself.

In a team like Marussia we all know a deal might not be a deal for long if money gets tight, Glock would have known that as well. It sounds like he had a plan B anyway and was already talking to BMW about the DTM.

But your claims about Senna and Webber are bullshit. They talked to said teams but never signed a deal with either.

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I agree with this laura and would imagine there is some serious negotiating going on behind closed doors.

I think they will need to be very careful that they don't de-rail this season by causing friction with Ross Brawn Nick Fry etc...

I personally hope Ross stays as I think he is an asset to any team even if his overall responsibilities are somewhat reduced.

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Brawn said he'll leave when Lowe arrives. Lowe won't be arriving until 2014. Brawn will most likely leave at the end of 2013. That is what every credible source related to F1 is saying. It all makes sense with the evidence we know. Only you are trying to deny everything so strongly.

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You completely missed the point.

The speculation was Senna had signed for FI, Webber had signed for Ferrari and the Journos were saying in the Summer break that Lewis had signed for Merc when in reality he didn't sign until September having only made the decision after Singapore.

Loads of people were saying they were done deals when in reality they weren't. In each case the SPECULATION was wrong.

Oh BTW I'm still waiting for that one source that confirms it as FACT (That he is indeed joining Merc)

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