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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:52 pm 
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Well a couple of races in granted, but how does everyone think the newbies are doing?

Bianchi looks likes he might be the first to sneeks some points??

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I don't think this should be in the indepth section


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M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
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I agree but my fingers didnt when I clicked button!

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Ask the mods, over there you will get significantly more responses.

Back to topic. I agree Bianchi looks to be the best of the rookies, but Bottas and Gutierrez have better shots at the points since they have better cars.


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Bianchi has been superb to jump in the car with next to no testing and perform like he has done. Think he is a special talent and a Ferrari driver in waiting.

van der Garde and Chilton appear to be out of their depth.

Bottas & Guttierez...meh

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Bianchi looks to be the real deal.

VDG, Gutierrez and Chilton seem pretty poor to be honest. Gutierrez I expected to perform much better given he was one of the frontrunners in GP2, but he might be a victim of the current trend of parachuting drivers into F1 too early. Chilton and VDG have no excuse though, they were in GP2 for ages.

Bottas I'm not sure about because the Williams is so poor. He looks to be generally matching Maldonado for speed which is never a bad thing but both Williamses have been anonymous in races so I don't really want to pass judgement.

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Only Bianchi has impressed me so far. He's been a revelation so far, I know it's only been two races but he's been consistently way way ahead of his fellow rookie team mate in the same chassis. He's getting very close to the Williams pair too. I think he could sneak a 10th place with a bit of luck.

Chilton has been awful. Way out of his depth. Shame because he won't get a chance like it again. Van Der Garde looks the same tbh.

Bottas and Gutiérrez I can't really decide about. Give them a few more races but nothing impressive so far.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:41 pm 
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Bianchi.

Impressing me a lot. Think he'll be safe come season's end if he keeps this up.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:42 pm 
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I'm sorry to say but Van der Garde and Chilton are utterly rubbish. They are not even close to their teammates.
Estaban is doing good, his race pace is quite decent.
Bottas i think is a bit overrated. I don't see where's the part that made people say he is far better than Maldonado?
Bianchi, as agreed by everyone. Glad to see someone from back markers showing some flash of brilliance since Alonso and Webber.

I rate the newbies in this order :

1) Bianchi
2) Estaban
3) Bottas
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Ja'a wrote:
I'm sorry to say but Van der Garde and Chilton are utterly rubbish. They are not even close to their teammates.
Estaban is doing good, his race pace is quite decent.
Bottas i think is a bit overrated. I don't see where's the part that made people say he is far better than Maldonado?
Bianchi, as agreed by everyone. Glad to see someone from back markers showing some flash of brilliance since Alonso and Webber.

I rate the newbies in this order :

1) Bianchi
2) Estaban
3) Bottas
4) Chilton
5) Van der Garde


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I've raved about Jules way too much on here already, so I'll just say: he's in a class of his own amongst them.

Bottas has looked slow but at least reliable. He hasn't had anywhere near as many moments as Gutierrez, and while Maldonado has had two DNFs, he's got the car home in both races. Perhaps as the season progresses he'll start finding a little more pace; I think he has to as otherwise, it's going to start becoming questionable if he has the speed to be in F1. Gutierrez seems very ragid at the moment, but does appear to have more pace. Of course, that could be the product of the Sauber being a better car than the Williams. van der Garde hasn't been as far off the pace as I'd expected him to be, but that's not really a compliment, and Chilton just looks completely out of his depth, which is no shock whatsoever.

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Bianchi has been brilliant and at the moment Chilton can't live with him. How bad he is really depends on how good Bianchi is. Van Der Garde was poor in Australia but was very close to Pic in Malaysia. Guitierez is a bit meh at the moment probably should be doing better. Bottas seems to be doing better against Maldanado than Senna

For me what I am most pleased about is Bianchi blowing to pieces this idea people seem to have got over the last few years than a top driver can't show there potential in a slow car.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:04 am 
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:lol:

I thought from the title that it was a question of "newbies" to the forum. My response was going to be "not that well".
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I find regurgitation of last years posts annoying, Google could have found most of the answers.

Oh, the rookies, they're one of the largest group of rookies in a bit but while they're getting by no ones shining like a star.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:55 am 
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Don't care for Bottas, GutiEyebrows and Chilton. Van Der Garde isn't wonderful either. Bianchi is showing promise though.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:34 am 
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I agree Bianchi is doing quite well, although we don't exactly know how good or bad that Marussia really is.

But I'm having a hard time seeing Bianchi do well and knowing Frijns isn't in a racing seat.

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Bottas only seems like a slight improvement on Senna so far... I was expecting better. Maldonado has been 0.5 seconds a lap faster in the dry sessions, and probably could have scored the final point in Malaysia if he hadn't screwed up his own race and then ran into KERS trouble.

I wasn't expecting much of Van Der Garde anyway, in terms of his racing record there's no way he should be near an F1 car. Gutierrez has been ok, but has had nothing like the impact Perez had.

Bianchi looks really promising but the conundrum is the fact that Chilton is unproven, he could be the next big thing or it could be that Chilton in hopelessly out of his depth.

When he drove the Force India he looked like he was on a par with Di Resta, and we all know what the Forum's general opinion on Di Resta is! :-|

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:01 am 
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Bianchi looks really promising but the conundrum is the fact that Chilton is unproven, he could be the next big thing or it could be that Chilton in hopelessly out of his depth.


I didnt think much of Chilton in GP2, Bianchi looks reasonably at home, his car control looks good with smooth inputs on the wheel. It will be interesting to see how he handles a full wet race.

Guttie has been a little disappointing given his GP2 form, but after only 2 races we shouldnt be too harsh, review again in 3 or 4 more with regard to him.

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I know I'm a bit biased but concerning Bottas I think many are forgetting that Maldonado is not a rookie anymore and has established himself well in the team and the two first races with rain etc. have made it hard for Bottas to get into the rhytm properly, and made setup work extremely difficult. I had also hoped he would be faster than what he's shown us so far but it's still too early to pass judgement.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:05 am 
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I know I'm a bit biased but concerning Bottas I think many are forgetting that Maldonado is not a rookie anymore and has established himself well in the team and the two first races with rain etc. have made it hard for Bottas to get into the rhytm properly, and made setup work extremely difficult. I had also hoped he would be faster than what he's shown us so far but it's still too early to pass judgement.


Fair one he does have the strongest team mate by a long margin

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I know I'm a bit biased but concerning Bottas I think many are forgetting that Maldonado is not a rookie anymore and has established himself well in the team and the two first races with rain etc. have made it hard for Bottas to get into the rhytm properly, and made setup work extremely difficult. I had also hoped he would be faster than what he's shown us so far but it's still too early to pass judgement.


Fair one he does have the strongest team mate by a long margin


I would have said that Hulkenberg was equally strong, if not stronger...


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I know I'm a bit biased but concerning Bottas I think many are forgetting that Maldonado is not a rookie anymore and has established himself well in the team and the two first races with rain etc. have made it hard for Bottas to get into the rhytm properly, and made setup work extremely difficult. I had also hoped he would be faster than what he's shown us so far but it's still too early to pass judgement.


Fair one he does have the strongest team mate by a long margin


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I would have said that Hulkenberg was equally strong, if not stronger...


Yep forgot about him! Fair point!

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Neutrality wrote:
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Neutrality wrote:
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I know I'm a bit biased but concerning Bottas I think many are forgetting that Maldonado is not a rookie anymore and has established himself well in the team and the two first races with rain etc. have made it hard for Bottas to get into the rhytm properly, and made setup work extremely difficult. I had also hoped he would be faster than what he's shown us so far but it's still too early to pass judgement.


Fair one he does have the strongest team mate by a long margin


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Yep forgot about him! Fair point!

Considering their teammates, my perception is that Bottas, Bianchi and Gutierrez are doing approximately equally good. Having a weak teammate like it seems for Bianchi, always makes you look good. Switch places with Bottas or Gutierrez we might have a different opinion.

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[quote]Considering their teammates, my perception is that Bottas, Bianchi and Gutierrez are doing approximately equally good. Having a weak teammate like it seems for Bianchi, always makes you look good. Switch places with Bottas or Gutierrez we might have a different opinion.[quote]

Only time will tell I suppose

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The guy who spotted Kimi Raikkonen has said that Bottas has a similar driving style and said he was undoubtedly the fastest of the rookies this year, so write him off at your peril!

And no, he's not Finnish, he's English.

For me, in summary, it's:

Bottas - quality.
Bianchi - quality.
Gutierrez - holding judgment
Van der Garde - did anyone expect him to be any good?
Chilton - out of his depth.


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mccormickja wrote:
And no, he's not Finnish, he's English.


Who are you talking about here?


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Bianchi has looked good so far.

For the others, it is still early days, so I am going to withhold judgment and give them some more seat time.


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I woudn´t be that bold stating Bianchi is the next big thing in F1, sure he looks promising and he has been trashing his teammate, but bear in mind that we don´t really know how good is this Marussia or how bad is Chilton, he doesn´t really have much reference, regarding to the other 4, at least we can have some more info in reference:

Gutierrez: He have been fairing decently against the strongest teammate among all rookies, of course he has been beaten both in quali and race, but not for a huge margin, I´d say it´s quite a promising start
Bottas: He has been considerably slower than his teammate, but has proven to be more consistent and less prompt to make errors, all the testing last season obviously has something to do with this, but IMO he´s having a decent start
Van Der Garde: He´s the oldest among the rookies and he´s been consistently beaten by Pic, I´d say there´s not much more to expect from him
Chilton: The weakest among the rookies, being trashed by another rookie


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Out of all all the rookies, Bianchi has been both the most impressive and the most well prepared. He seems to know what he's doing. Being involved with the scene for quite a few years now, talking with the right people, learning and being managed very well are obviously a huge benefit for him. Bottas and Gutierrez are also positives for me but they clearly need more time to express their full potential. Bianchi has been ready from the start.


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I think it's sad that Glock isn't there alongside Bianchi as a yardstick. He's an absolutely proven quantity and we'd find out if he really is the next big thing or if the Marussia is actually an upper midfield car and Bianchi isn't putting it where it should be while Chilton is failing miserably.

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Bianchi appears to be the new boy showing the most promise


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Bianchi
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Bottas
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Guttierez
Van der Garde
Chilton

Havent seen anything bad from Bottas but he hasnt really been great, especially since beating Maldonado, to me, is meaningless since i really really don't rate Maldonado


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FormulaFun wrote:
Bianchi
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Bottas
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Guttierez
Van der Garde
Chilton

Havent seen anything bad from Bottas but he hasnt really been great, especially since beating Maldonado, to me, is meaningless since i really really don't rate Maldonado


Bottas isn't beating Maldonado for pace, he's been at least 0.3 seconds behind in every dry session this year - it's only through Maldonados own stupid errors in the race that Bottas has finished ahead. I think Gutierrez at least in terms of raw speed is doing a better job against his team-mate.

Bianchi is good and looks like he could have a good career ahead of him... but surely if he was as good as this forum believes then Force India would have signed him up. People argue about the sponsorship but finishing a place higher in the Constructors would negate that loss.

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Blake wrote:
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I thought from the title that it was a question of "newbies" to the forum.....
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So did I and I thought, "Why haven't the mods locked this thread?" and that was what made me decide to take a look.

Bianchi is IMO head and shoulders above the rest of the rookies.

I think Bottas has been flattered by Maldonado's disastrous first races. He doesn't seem to be quick and it's just him keeping it on the track and Maldonado making a meal of it that has given any good impression. Having said that, the car is obviously awful so it's not a bad effort for a rookie to achieve that.

Guiterrez is pretty typical of a lot of rookies. He's very erratic and ragged. It depends on whether he can sort out his consistency over the course of the season.

Chilton and van der Garde are awful, the former particularly so. He's just nowhere near his rookie teammate. At least in van der Garde's defence, Pic has a year on him and demonstrated that he might have some reasonable potential.

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Ja'a wrote:
I'm sorry to say but Van der Garde and Chilton are utterly rubbish. They are not even close to their teammates.
Estaban is doing good, his race pace is quite decent.
Bottas i think is a bit overrated. I don't see where's the part that made people say he is far better than Maldonado?
Bianchi, as agreed by everyone. Glad to see someone from back markers showing some flash of brilliance since Alonso and Webber.

I rate the newbies in this order :

1) Bianchi
2) Estaban
3) Bottas
4) Chilton
5) Van der Garde


basically, all that you have said i agree 100%.


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So far only Bianchi has really impressed, he's making Chilton look out of his depth plus he seems to be challenging cars he really shouldn't be doing.

As for the other three nothing much to impress, van der Garde and Guiterrez don't look a patch on their teammates whilst Bottas doesn't have the raw pace of Maldonado although Maldonado will probably continue to make him look good in the races because of his crash prone performances.

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Jules! Need any more..?

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None of them have disgraced themselves, maybe Chilton could have done with a bit more experience but we should count ourselves lucky we have such a high standard of rookies which is a lot better than the standard we had eight years ago or so. Guttierez has looked very quick if a bit messy but I hope he has a future because simmilar drivers have done well. Bottas has been reasonably consistent if not as quick but given the state of his equipment and that he hasnt raced GP2 or anything above GP3 he hasnt looked bad at all. VDG and Chilton have been average but not terrible so theres still hope for them. As for Bianchi he has been outstanding even if you count his testing experience and lack of a real benchmark at the back. I really think he could be the first great driver in a while to start at the back.


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TakumaSatoforthewin wrote:
VDG and Chilton have been average

So they've been better than approx. half the grid? :?

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TakumaSatoforthewin wrote:
VDG and Chilton have been average

So they've been better than approx. half the grid? :?

Yeah probably should have worded it differently. Uninspiring perhaps.


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