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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13569 ... -2019-deal

I wonder what this means (if anything) for Toro Rosso. Would Red Bull want Honda engines in both teams?


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I’m guessing they would. More data and all that


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:57 am 
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They've done it before with Renault, so I don't see why not.

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Honda is much more reliable & is as powerful as Renault, if not more. If Red Bull go ahead with the Honda deal, they would unofficially be the factory team so as to speak. Red Bull's patience with Renualt has also run thin with both the cars suffering engine issues in the earlier races this season.

What I'm a little worried about is that does the Red Bull have a similar tight engine packing like McLaren? Red Bull is the only (Renault) team to have suffered engine issues. If there's is a tight engine packing space like McLaren, they may face similar headaches like the ones McLaren faced in the previous 3 years.

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UnlikeUday wrote:
Honda is much more reliable & is as powerful as Renault, if not more. If Red Bull go ahead with the Honda deal, they would unofficially be the factory team so as to speak. Red Bull's patience with Renualt has also run thin with both the cars suffering engine issues in the earlier races this season.

What I'm a little worried about is that does the Red Bull have a similar tight engine packing like McLaren? Red Bull is the only (Renault) team to have suffered engine issues. If there's is a tight engine packing space like McLaren, they may face similar headaches like the ones McLaren faced in the previous 3 years.

Haven't TR also suffered engine issues this year?


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UnlikeUday wrote:
Honda is much more reliable & is as powerful as Renault, if not more. If Red Bull go ahead with the Honda deal, they would unofficially be the factory team so as to speak. Red Bull's patience with Renualt has also run thin with both the cars suffering engine issues in the earlier races this season.

What I'm a little worried about is that does the Red Bull have a similar tight engine packing like McLaren? Red Bull is the only (Renault) team to have suffered engine issues. If there's is a tight engine packing space like McLaren, they may face similar headaches like the ones McLaren faced in the previous 3 years.


That was my first though as well.

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Red Bull are making a wise decision after making a very rash and foolish one back in 2015. They severed their own works status back then through impatience and entitlement and I think that they have learned since then that winning without a works deal will be all but impossible in this era (and probably the next). I think this move makes a lot of sense and I think Honda are going to come good. To my eyes, they are already at least on par with Renault. I have not seen anything to suggest otherwise. If they're smart, they will wait until the new regs for 2021 are announced and immediately shift the majority of their focus towards that engine and that car.


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Zoue wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
Honda is much more reliable & is as powerful as Renault, if not more. If Red Bull go ahead with the Honda deal, they would unofficially be the factory team so as to speak. Red Bull's patience with Renualt has also run thin with both the cars suffering engine issues in the earlier races this season.

What I'm a little worried about is that does the Red Bull have a similar tight engine packing like McLaren? Red Bull is the only (Renault) team to have suffered engine issues. If there's is a tight engine packing space like McLaren, they may face similar headaches like the ones McLaren faced in the previous 3 years.

Haven't TR also suffered engine issues this year?


Hartley did have but when compared to last 3 years, this year is such a smooth sailing for Honda.

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UnlikeUday wrote:
Zoue wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
Honda is much more reliable & is as powerful as Renault, if not more. If Red Bull go ahead with the Honda deal, they would unofficially be the factory team so as to speak. Red Bull's patience with Renualt has also run thin with both the cars suffering engine issues in the earlier races this season.

What I'm a little worried about is that does the Red Bull have a similar tight engine packing like McLaren? Red Bull is the only (Renault) team to have suffered engine issues. If there's is a tight engine packing space like McLaren, they may face similar headaches like the ones McLaren faced in the previous 3 years.

Haven't TR also suffered engine issues this year?


Hartley did have but when compared to last 3 years, this year is such a smooth sailing for Honda.

no argument there. But in the previous post you mentioned Red Bull's patience running thin with both cars suffering engine issues (although IIRC the engine itself was ruled out as the cause), so it seems like jumping from the frying pan into the fire when TR had them, too.


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The way Red Bull threw Renault under the bus even when winning titles, I fear for Honda partnering with Red Bull. It will be Mclaren all over again. 2019 would definitely be a year too early IMO.


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Aren't Honda the only option? Merc and Ferrari are a no-go and they basically decided a year ago that they were done with Renault... What other options are there?

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Would love to see Honda return to F1 as a significant engine supplier. I enjoyed Honda's glory days with both Williams and McLaren teams. :D

Actually I was not that much aware of F1 at the time but have since found Hondas 1960s successes with Ritchie Ginther and John Surtees to be inspiring. :nod:

Am not so much interested in seeing Fernando Alonso being proved wrong though. OTOH having a Red Bull team with enough power to go toe to toe with Merc and Ferrari would be nice. :thumbup:

Could be fun seeing Sebastian wishing he was back at RBR. :lol:


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Mort Canard wrote:
Would love to see Honda return to F1 as a significant engine supplier. I enjoyed Honda's glory days with both Williams and McLaren teams. :D

Actually I was not that much aware of F1 at the time but have since found Hondas 1960s successes with Ritchie Ginther and John Surtees to be inspiring. :nod:

Am not so much interested in seeing Fernando Alonso being proved wrong though. OTOH having a Red Bull team with enough power to go toe to toe with Merc and Ferrari would be nice. :thumbup:

Could be fun seeing Sebastian wishing he was back at RBR. :lol:

With those crash prone drivers in RBR, don't you think that even RBR will not wish him? Sebastian will not stay forever with Ferrari. He may add another title with RBR-Honda after he get's this one or two at Ferrari. The guy is a born champion and does not bring problems to the team.

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The way Red Bull threw Renault under the bus even when winning titles, I fear for Honda partnering with Red Bull. It will be Mclaren all over again. 2019 would definitely be a year too early IMO.

Mclaren was much worse toward honda than RBR ever was to renualt. Difference is honda did not fight back but wanted to continue working with mclaren.
Having said that i hope RBR stays with Renualt. I have grown to like torro rosso with the way they are handling the honda partnership. They just dealt with the situation they were put in by RBR. It would be great if they can make their way from the rear midfield to the front as a works team. I do agree though that RBR may be too much pressure at this stage for honda. But i guess RBR calls the shots. It was their strategic call to take on honda with STR after all.


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Didnt redbull team up with aston martin because of a possible engine supply deal with aston???

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132059/red-bull-absolutely-open-to-aston-engine

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Mayhem wrote:
Didnt redbull team up with aston martin because of a possible engine supply deal with aston???

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132059/red-bull-absolutely-open-to-aston-engine

Could Red Bull be having these discussions with Honda to make Aston realise they are going to have to provide a championship winning engine or RB will go elsewhere?


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Mayhem wrote:
Didnt redbull team up with aston martin because of a possible engine supply deal with aston???

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132059/red-bull-absolutely-open-to-aston-engine


That's for the new regulations starting in 2021, Red Bull need an engine to cover 2019 and 2020 as Renault have said that they won't supply Red Bull after 2018.


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Mayhem wrote:
Didnt redbull team up with aston martin because of a possible engine supply deal with aston???

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132059/red-bull-absolutely-open-to-aston-engine


That's for the new regulations starting in 2021, Red Bull need an engine to cover 2019 and 2020 as Renault have said that they won't supply Red Bull after 2018.


Yeah well that was the impression I got too but then there's reports Renault have left the ball in RB's court.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/motorsport/formula-one/red-bull-has-some-tough-decisions-to-make/news-story/7e9d38303f18404c6afd69008cf10841

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