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It depends, if the season is scrappy like the one we just had. Then I think Alonso will definetly be up there

This is the way I'm thinking too.

I think Ferrari were closer to the front at the start of 2011 than they were in 2012.
But 2011 was so straightforward that they hadn't a hope.

If the teams are close again (which I highly doubt) and if Pirelli through more spanners in the works, then Ferrari should be much closer at the start of 2013. I can't possibly imagine they'll be as far away at the start of this year as they were in 2012.


True. It can't get much worse than the start they had this year but, Ferrari still can't be relying on others getting it wrong. They need to be the ones pushing and leading ahead.

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Alonso fan reporting for duty. Tendency to read rather than respond, but now here. Alonso rocks.


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Best I sign up to this thread then. See if we can overtake the kimster thread :lol:
Hope he can carry his good form over to next year. :thumbup:


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Alonso fan reporting for duty. Tendency to read rather than respond, but now here. Alonso rocks.


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Best I sign up to this thread then. See if we can overtake the kimster thread :lol:
Hope he can carry his good form over to next year. :thumbup:


4 pages already! Kimi fans must be feeling the heat :lol:

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RunningMan wrote:
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It depends, if the season is scrappy like the one we just had. Then I think Alonso will definetly be up there

This is the way I'm thinking too.

I think Ferrari were closer to the front at the start of 2011 than they were in 2012.
But 2011 was so straightforward that they hadn't a hope.

If the teams are close again (which I highly doubt) and if Pirelli through more spanners in the works, then Ferrari should be much closer at the start of 2013. I can't possibly imagine they'll be as far away at the start of this year as they were in 2012.


True. It can't get much worse than the start they had this year but, Ferrari still can't be relying on others getting it wrong. They need to be the ones pushing and leading ahead.


Of course it would be great if Ferrari could come up with something that outruns other cars but I don't see that happening in 2013. I mean how ? No big regulation changes. Furthermore I seem to remember some comments from SD a couple of weeks ago that Ferrari will put a lot of their focus on the 2014 car right from the get go. So I'm thinking the current car has some fundamental design limitations. They are clearly targeting 2014.

I'm sick of Ferrari cars being poor in qualifying. This has to stop. Alonso is a very good qualifier but because he is unable to take poles people don't want to acknowledge it.

Ferrari have been doing great at some areas. Pitstops are consistent although not super fast. Strategies are fairly reliable. And the reliability of the car is excellent :thumbup:. Just need some speed, quali speed in particular and Alonso will be champion again.

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According to Bernie, it wouldn't be a "bad thing" if Fernando wins next year =D


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That's as much a show of support as you can ever ask for from Bernie surely?

Though you have to wonder, who's title success would he consider a "bad thing"?

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I think that with very little rule change it give everyone a chance to catch up. So I'm hoping that wil help Ferrari. Also the drs rule change should help in qually.


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That's as much a show of support as you can ever ask for from Bernie surely?

Though you have to wonder, who's title success would he consider a "bad thing"?

Vettel No.4?

Schumi's success did more harm than good back in the 00s.

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That's as much a show of support as you can ever ask for from Bernie surely?

Though you have to wonder, who's title success would he consider a "bad thing"?

Vettel No.4?

Schumi's success did more harm than good back in the 00s.

That's the only assumption I take from Bernie's statement as well, the potential for tedium. To be honest I kind of agree, but only as a non-Vettel fan.

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callMEcrazy wrote:
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It depends, if the season is scrappy like the one we just had. Then I think Alonso will definetly be up there

This is the way I'm thinking too.

I think Ferrari were closer to the front at the start of 2011 than they were in 2012.
But 2011 was so straightforward that they hadn't a hope.

If the teams are close again (which I highly doubt) and if Pirelli through more spanners in the works, then Ferrari should be much closer at the start of 2013. I can't possibly imagine they'll be as far away at the start of this year as they were in 2012.


True. It can't get much worse than the start they had this year but, Ferrari still can't be relying on others getting it wrong. They need to be the ones pushing and leading ahead.


Of course it would be great if Ferrari could come up with something that outruns other cars but I don't see that happening in 2013. I mean how ? No big regulation changes. Furthermore I seem to remember some comments from SD a couple of weeks ago that Ferrari will put a lot of their focus on the 2014 car right from the get go. So I'm thinking the current car has some fundamental design limitations. They are clearly targeting 2014.

I'm sick of Ferrari cars being poor in qualifying. This has to stop. Alonso is a very good qualifier but because he is unable to take poles people don't want to acknowledge it.

Ferrari have been doing great at some areas. Pitstops are consistent although not super fast. Strategies are fairly reliable. And the reliability of the car is excellent :thumbup:. Just need some speed, quali speed in particular and Alonso will be champion again.


F1 is like that at times, reliable car but not fast (ferrari) fast car but poor reliability (mclaren). If alonso gets a quick car in 2013 he will end vettel's run.

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callMEcrazy wrote:
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mcdo wrote:
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It depends, if the season is scrappy like the one we just had. Then I think Alonso will definetly be up there

This is the way I'm thinking too.

I think Ferrari were closer to the front at the start of 2011 than they were in 2012.
But 2011 was so straightforward that they hadn't a hope.

If the teams are close again (which I highly doubt) and if Pirelli through more spanners in the works, then Ferrari should be much closer at the start of 2013. I can't possibly imagine they'll be as far away at the start of this year as they were in 2012.


True. It can't get much worse than the start they had this year but, Ferrari still can't be relying on others getting it wrong. They need to be the ones pushing and leading ahead.


Of course it would be great if Ferrari could come up with something that outruns other cars but I don't see that happening in 2013. I mean how ? No big regulation changes. Furthermore I seem to remember some comments from SD a couple of weeks ago that Ferrari will put a lot of their focus on the 2014 car right from the get go. So I'm thinking the current car has some fundamental design limitations. They are clearly targeting 2014.

I'm sick of Ferrari cars being poor in qualifying. This has to stop. Alonso is a very good qualifier but because he is unable to take poles people don't want to acknowledge it.

Ferrari have been doing great at some areas. Pitstops are consistent although not super fast. Strategies are fairly reliable. And the reliability of the car is excellent :thumbup:. Just need some speed, quali speed in particular and Alonso will be champion again.


Yeap. I was thinking it was a inherit flaw when in the final races they seemingly failed to upgrade it. RB and McLaren were putting major upgrades on the car throughout the year, RB at singapore and McLaren's new side pods at Germany. Ferrari only really had their one major recovery update in Spain, then another in Canada.

That combined with their wind tunnel problem means are fairly pessimistic towards what their start is going to be like in 2013.

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Fernando Alonso 2013 champion. You heard it here first :D

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I prefer his former wife. BTW those two guys behind (in purple and red) are two reputed journalists but... where are they looking at?


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I prefer his former wife. BTW those two guys behind (in purple and red) are two reputed journalists but... where are they looking at?


The purple one is probably looking at her butt. Its weird that she looks downright hot in some pictures and very normal in others. She needs to work on her angles, or the media does.

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According to PF1 frontpage it seems that Alonso made fun out of Red Bull. This remind me of JB's jokes on his last victory. Double standard? Wait and see.


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I prefer his former wife. BTW those two guys behind (in purple and red) are two reputed journalists but... where are they looking at?


The purple one is probably looking at her butt. Its weird that she looks downright hot in some pictures and very normal in others. She needs to work on her angles, or the media does.


She looks pretty good to me ;)

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According to PF1 frontpage it seems that Alonso made fun out of Red Bull. This remind me of JB's jokes on his last victory. Double standard? Wait and see.


Fernando's response to marko on twitter was good :thumbup:

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diablof1 wrote:
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According to PF1 frontpage it seems that Alonso made fun out of Red Bull. This remind me of JB's jokes on his last victory. Double standard? Wait and see.


Fernando's response to marko on twitter was good :thumbup:


His response confirms Marko's comments. He shouldn't even bothered to say anything about it


And regarding the pic! Is that really his GF? I swear the last time I've seen a pic of her she was hot! This one is not


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According to PF1 frontpage it seems that Alonso made fun out of Red Bull. This remind me of JB's jokes on his last victory. Double standard? Wait and see.


Fernando's response to marko on twitter was good :thumbup:


His response confirms Marko's comments. He shouldn't even bothered to say anything about it


And regarding the pic! Is that really his GF? I swear the last time I've seen a pic of her she was hot! This one is not


Nah, Fernando is the only driver who will take on newey/redbull good for him. :thumbup:

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diablof1 wrote:
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According to PF1 frontpage it seems that Alonso made fun out of Red Bull. This remind me of JB's jokes on his last victory. Double standard? Wait and see.


Fernando's response to marko on twitter was good :thumbup:


His response confirms Marko's comments. He shouldn't even bothered to say anything about it


And regarding the pic! Is that really his GF? I swear the last time I've seen a pic of her she was hot! This one is not


Nah, Fernando is the only driver who will take on newey/redbull good for him. :thumbup:


After the ban of free DRS use in quali, I think Alonso will be very strong on Saturdays. The Redbull advantage will be eradicated and when it comes to race pace we have the Ferrari's, McLarens and even the Lotuses at some circuits who can be competitive

Next year is going to be another good year, but with less chaos at the beginning of the season. Unless Pirelli manages to shock everyone with the new tyres again


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F1nsider wrote:
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According to PF1 frontpage it seems that Alonso made fun out of Red Bull. This remind me of JB's jokes on his last victory. Double standard? Wait and see.


Fernando's response to marko on twitter was good :thumbup:


His response confirms Marko's comments. He shouldn't even bothered to say anything about it


And regarding the pic! Is that really his GF? I swear the last time I've seen a pic of her she was hot! This one is not


Well I'm not sure if "politics" is the right word but Alonso definitely plays around a lot with comments and mind games. He is simply that kind of person: red-hot-angry-intense. He is kind of the opposite of Kimi. He won't lay back and let stuff unfold whether its cool or not, and sometimes regardless of whether its ethical or not. Sometimes he'll even fall off the cliff (Hungary 07 for example). But that's just how he is. I like it and I wish there were a few more in F1 like that. Its just entertaining. And of course he can walk the walk as well.

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This is mind games from Marko. But, to come out and say, because he was involved in toomuch politics it cost him the title is purely stupid. I mean, in the BBC report it stated that Alonso was driving a inferior car which he was and I doubt Vettel would have done a better job than him (as most people seem to agree in the "How would Vettel have done driving the F2012" thread :twisted: ).

Im not saying Vettel is not good he won and finishing first is what counts. Alonso would have done a better job in the RBR8 from the start of the season and probably would have bagged the DC from around India.

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This is mind games from Marko. But, to come out and say, because he was involved in toomuch politics it cost him the title is purely stupid. I mean, in the BBC report it stated that Alonso was driving a inferior car which he was and I doubt Vettel would have done a better job than him (as most people seem to agree in the "How would Vettel have done driving the F2012" thread :twisted: ).

Im not saying Vettel is not good he won and finishing first is what counts. Alonso would have done a better job in the RBR8 from the start of the season and probably would have bagged the DC from around India.


You sound very sure there. Try "could", not "would" and maybe you "could" have a point!

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F1nsider wrote:
diablof1 wrote:
F1nsider wrote:
diablof1 wrote:
chican wrote:
According to PF1 frontpage it seems that Alonso made fun out of Red Bull. This remind me of JB's jokes on his last victory. Double standard? Wait and see.


Fernando's response to marko on twitter was good :thumbup:


His response confirms Marko's comments. He shouldn't even bothered to say anything about it


And regarding the pic! Is that really his GF? I swear the last time I've seen a pic of her she was hot! This one is not


Nah, Fernando is the only driver who will take on newey/redbull good for him. :thumbup:


After the ban of free DRS use in quali, I think Alonso will be very strong on Saturdays. The Redbull advantage will be eradicated and when it comes to race pace we have the Ferrari's, McLarens and even the Lotuses at some circuits who can be competitive

Next year is going to be another good year, but with less chaos at the beginning of the season. Unless Pirelli manages to shock everyone with the new tyres again


If Alonso is going to win this year, he needs Kimi and Lewis to take points off Vettel.

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diablof1 wrote:
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After the ban of free DRS use in quali, I think Alonso will be very strong on Saturdays. The Redbull advantage will be eradicated and when it comes to race pace we have the Ferrari's, McLarens and even the Lotuses at some circuits who can be competitive

Next year is going to be another good year, but with less chaos at the beginning of the season. Unless Pirelli manages to shock everyone with the new tyres again


If Alonso is going to win this year, he needs Kimi and Lewis to take points off Vettel.


I think Alonso needs to be fast enough to take points off Vettel directly. His performance in 2012 will be very hard to replicate. The tire situation is also likely to be more stable in 2013 so there should be fewer chaotic races. If Ferrari can't compete with Red Bull in car performance then I don't see any hope.

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After the ban of free DRS use in quali, I think Alonso will be very strong on Saturdays. The Redbull advantage will be eradicated and when it comes to race pace we have the Ferrari's, McLarens and even the Lotuses at some circuits who can be competitive

Next year is going to be another good year, but with less chaos at the beginning of the season. Unless Pirelli manages to shock everyone with the new tyres again


If Alonso is going to win this year, he needs Kimi and Lewis to take points off Vettel.


I think Alonso needs to be fast enough to take points off Vettel directly. His performance in 2012 will be very hard to replicate. The tire situation is also likely to be more stable in 2013 so there should be fewer chaotic races. If Ferrari can't compete with Red Bull in car performance then I don't see any hope.


I don't think Redbull will have the same strength at qualifying especially after the ban of the DRS

Ferrari has a very good car its only their DRS flap that's fairy cakes, which now won't have as much effect as last year in quali at least

Hamilton is not in McLaren anymore, and Lotus was fairy cakes since after the summer break so I don't see them being a threat. Actually Alonso is looking good


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Nonsense, Alonso will look good or bad when we see how good it's the car, the previous year is a guarantee of nothing in Ferrari.


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It would be awesome for the sport if Felipe could deliver from the beginning of next season, although I don't think Fernando would like that hahaha. It's all going to be an unknown until Australia.


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It would be awesome for the sport if Felipe could deliver from the beginning of next season, although I don't think Fernando would like that hahaha. It's all going to be an unknown until Australia.


I'd say Fernando would be verrry happy if that actually happens. With the pressure off even when Felipe's performing Fernando would beat him. And now that's Lewis is gone from Macca is about time someone else starts taking away points from Vettel. Every time (except Brazil) Vettel scored points Massa was behind him.


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one of his good card tricks here -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mefLkzDyQS4

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one of his good card tricks here -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mefLkzDyQS4

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Since Michael Schumacher retired in 2006, imo Fernando Alonso has been the greatest driver. In 2007 he was equalled by Hamilton, but every other season he has been the fastest, most capable, focussed, consistent and hard-trying of all.

What Alonso did with his off-pace cars, Renault in 2008-9 and Ferrari 2010-2012, is in the league of Schumacher with Ferrari 1996-7, Senna with the 1993 McLaren-Cosworth, Moss in 1958-1961 with the Cooper-Climax and Lotus-Climax and Nuvolari in 1936 with his Alfa Romeos.

Imo even Hamilton and Vettel would be shaded by Alonso in same-cars; not by much, but Fred would win more often than they would in a season.

Alonso should/will be ranked in history with any of the other greatest drivers. His starts alone qualify him, but his racing skills must be up there with Prost's.

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Right now on sky f1 program about him :thumbup:


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Since Michael Schumacher retired in 2006, imo Fernando Alonso has been the greatest driver. In 2007 he was equalled by Hamilton, but every other season he has been the fastest, most capable, focussed, consistent and hard-trying of all.

What Alonso did with his off-pace cars, Renault in 2008-9 and Ferrari 2010-2012, is in the league of Schumacher with Ferrari 1996-7, Senna with the 1993 McLaren-Cosworth, Moss in 1958-1961 with the Cooper-Climax and Lotus-Climax and Nuvolari in 1936 with his Alfa Romeos.

Imo even Hamilton and Vettel would be shaded by Alonso in same-cars; not by much, but Fred would win more often than they would in a season.

Alonso should/will be ranked in history with any of the other greatest drivers. His starts alone qualify him, but his racing skills must be up there with Prost's.


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I've just read again Fernando's comments on China 2008 when he stated that he respects Lewis very much as a driver but he preferred Massa to win because he felt some people at McLaren didn't deserve winning. Harsh but definitely he had his reasons to say that.


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I've just read again Fernando's comments on China 2008 when he stated that he respects Lewis very much as a driver but he preferred Massa to win because he felt some people at McLaren didn't deserve winning. Harsh but definitely he had his reasons to say that.


If mclaren and alonso did not have that 2007 problems, alonso could have been a 4 time champion! 2007 and 2008. :o

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I've just read again Fernando's comments on China 2008 when he stated that he respects Lewis very much as a driver but he preferred Massa to win because he felt some people at McLaren didn't deserve winning. Harsh but definitely he had his reasons to say that.


If mclaren and alonso did not have that 2007 problems, alonso could have been a 4 time champion! 2007 and 2008. :o
Probably 2008 (2007 was Ferrari's year due to all that happened) but that's not the point. The fact is that there are so many things kept away from us spectators, why did McLaren force Fernando to sign that confidential agreement when parting ways with him?


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