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Keeping Bernie's prediction aside, what else looks probable?
1. Vettel (Probable WDC) 9%  9%  [ 53 ]
2. Alonso (Probable WDC) 10%  10%  [ 58 ]
3. Raikonnen (Probable WDC) 9%  9%  [ 55 ]
4. Hamilton (Probable WDC) 14%  14%  [ 83 ]
5. Rosberg (Probable WDC) 7%  7%  [ 45 ]
6. Button (Probable WDC) 7%  7%  [ 42 ]
7. Massa (Probable WDC) 2%  2%  [ 10 ]
8. Grosjean (Probable WDC) 0%  0%  [ 3 ]
9. Maldonado (Probable WDC) 0%  0%  [ 2 ]
10. Magnussen (First Win) 9%  9%  [ 56 ]
11. Ricciardo (First Win) 7%  7%  [ 40 ]
12. Perez (First Win) 1%  1%  [ 4 ]
13. Hulkenberg (First Podium) 8%  8%  [ 48 ]
14. Bottas (First Win) 1%  1%  [ 9 ]
15. Adrian Sutil (First Podium) 2%  2%  [ 10 ]
16. Esteban Gutierrez (Constant Point Scorer) 0%  0%  [ 3 ]
17. Vergne (First Podium) 0%  0%  [ 3 ]
18. Kvyat (Constant Point Scorer) 2%  2%  [ 10 ]
19. Kobayashi (First Caterham Points) 6%  6%  [ 34 ]
20. Ericsson (First Caterham Points) 1%  1%  [ 5 ]
21. Bianchi (First Marussia Points) 4%  4%  [ 25 ]
22. Chilton (First Marussia Points) 0%  0%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 601
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:59 pm 
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Irbis wrote:
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Hamilton won his title against Massa with one more point than 97 while having Heikki as teammate.

Plus he had Crashgate rob Massa of 10 points. So please, how he is fast when he didn't even won on merit? The only McLaren driver to even threaten Vettel RB run and to beat Alonso to 2nd WDC spot was Button, in 2011.

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Hamilton got more points than Nico in the second half of 13.

Nico had 2 wins and one 2nd place to one Hamilton win. 3:1 in front row places, and that despite receiving "Lewis is faster than you" right at the start of the season. With fair treatment, the ratio would be even worse for L.H.


I think Hamilton was much closer to Vettel in 2010 than Button was in 2011.

What has your last paragraph got to do with Hamilton outscoring Rosberg in the second half of the season?


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Covalent wrote:
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I must be one of the v few people who think that Alonso will beat Kimi substantially - unless he throws a major wobbly as per 2007.

I think everyone who thinks it's going to be close or think that Kimi might actually edge it have taken into account Alonso's possible wobbliness. If Alonso is focused and not distracted by politics he is a very hard man to beat, but that's not given.


I don't think the bold part has anything to do with it, the people who think Alonso would beat Kimi base it on the difference between Alonso and Massa in the last 4 years.
Also the people who believe Kimi would beat Alonso base it on Kimi's consistent form since his return, also at Ferrari now he returns there as there last WDC and a lot of guys there still hold him in high esteem!

I just had to create a sentence that includes the word "wobbliness".


LOL!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:56 pm 
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POBRatings wrote:
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I must be one of the v few people who think that Alonso will beat Kimi substantially - unless he throws a major wobbly as per 2007.


You could be right. Based on how close Romain was to Kimi for speed in 2012 and 2013, my thinking is that Kimi will really have to perform to give Alonso a hard time for speed. Kimi's racecraft has been exceptional the past two seasons. But how fast was Grosjean? And Fred's racecraft has been even more impressive than Kimi's imo.


Alonso's racecraft is overplayed due to his poor qualifying skills, if Massa can outqualify him 4X in a row and Massa who has not been a challenger since '10!
Let me ask you a question who do you think is faster Grosjean or Massa?
Of all the top team drivers (Redbull Merc Ferrari Lotus) only Alonso failed to make it on to the front row in qualy last season!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:59 pm 
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Ohh.... surprise surprise.

Hamilton is mentioned and the forum starts talking about Kimi and Fernando and Heikki. Nico has been forgotten... well, maybe he flies under the radar in a way that every time he beats his team mate it is not getting noticed. :)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:00 pm 
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Blinky McSquinty wrote:
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Hamilton got more points than Nico in the second half of 13.


Only if you count the tenth race of 19 as part of the second half of the season. If you don't, for the last 9 races of 2013, it's Rosberg 87 Hamilton 78.

I don't see the relevance anyway, its hardly anything and would have been the opposite if Hamilton had not clumsily crashed into a backmarker in the final race.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:02 pm 
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Blinky McSquinty wrote:
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Hamilton got more points than Nico in the second half of 13.


Only if you count the tenth race of 19 as part of the second half of the season. If you don't, for the last 9 races of 2013, it's Rosberg 87 Hamilton 78.


Surely the half way point of the season would be midway through the Hungarian Grand Prix?

I agree Nico scored more for the last 9 races. Hamilton scored more in the last 9.5.

I think what you may find its all about finding a parameter that suits

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:03 pm 
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I think Rosberg might be the guy here.

He keeps is together well, better than Lewis.


Nico is a smarter driver and if he starts the season beating Hamilton, Hamilton will be clueless and emotional.

Like Hamilton was in 2010 and 2012?

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Rockie wrote:
POBRatings wrote:
LKS1 wrote:
I must be one of the v few people who think that Alonso will beat Kimi substantially - unless he throws a major wobbly as per 2007.


You could be right. Based on how close Romain was to Kimi for speed in 2012 and 2013, my thinking is that Kimi will really have to perform to give Alonso a hard time for speed. Kimi's racecraft has been exceptional the past two seasons. But how fast was Grosjean? And Fred's racecraft has been even more impressive than Kimi's imo.


Alonso's racecraft is overplayed due to his poor qualifying skills, if Massa can outqualify him 4X in a row and Massa who has not been a challenger since '10!
Let me ask you a question who do you think is faster Grosjean or Massa?
Of all the top team drivers (Redbull Merc Ferrari Lotus) only Alonso failed to make it on to the front row in qualy last season!

How many times did Massa outqualify Kimi?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:12 pm 
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pokerman wrote:
Rockie wrote:
POBRatings wrote:
LKS1 wrote:
I must be one of the v few people who think that Alonso will beat Kimi substantially - unless he throws a major wobbly as per 2007.


You could be right. Based on how close Romain was to Kimi for speed in 2012 and 2013, my thinking is that Kimi will really have to perform to give Alonso a hard time for speed. Kimi's racecraft has been exceptional the past two seasons. But how fast was Grosjean? And Fred's racecraft has been even more impressive than Kimi's imo.


Alonso's racecraft is overplayed due to his poor qualifying skills, if Massa can outqualify him 4X in a row and Massa who has not been a challenger since '10!
Let me ask you a question who do you think is faster Grosjean or Massa?
Of all the top team drivers (Redbull Merc Ferrari Lotus) only Alonso failed to make it on to the front row in qualy last season!

How many times did Massa outqualify Kimi?

yes, I'd say Alonso's poor qualifying is a bit of an urban myth. He might not be a qualifying specialist but I think he's better than people make out


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Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Rockie wrote:
POBRatings wrote:
LKS1 wrote:
I must be one of the v few people who think that Alonso will beat Kimi substantially - unless he throws a major wobbly as per 2007.


You could be right. Based on how close Romain was to Kimi for speed in 2012 and 2013, my thinking is that Kimi will really have to perform to give Alonso a hard time for speed. Kimi's racecraft has been exceptional the past two seasons. But how fast was Grosjean? And Fred's racecraft has been even more impressive than Kimi's imo.


Alonso's racecraft is overplayed due to his poor qualifying skills, if Massa can outqualify him 4X in a row and Massa who has not been a challenger since '10!
Let me ask you a question who do you think is faster Grosjean or Massa?
Of all the top team drivers (Redbull Merc Ferrari Lotus) only Alonso failed to make it on to the front row in qualy last season!

How many times did Massa outqualify Kimi?

yes, I'd say Alonso's poor qualifying is a bit of an urban myth. He might not be a qualifying specialist but I think he's better than people make out

Yes i don't believe he has ever been dominated by anyone in qualifying

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