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The problem is, within about 4 hours of the result being confirmed, the first major point that people voted leave for, the extra money for the NHS, was withdrawn as a mistaken claim to have made in the first place. Since then there has been no plan as to how we will leave, not guarantee that immigration will change significantly because it's highly likely we will need to continue with free movement of people if we want decent trade deals, plus the people who campaigned for it the most have vanished from sight aside from Gove, and he's trying underhand ways to rig the vote for Tory leader.

A serious amount of leave voters have been significantly deceived, they have said as much.

Therefore whilst I like the democratic style of the vote, I don't believe it is now a true reflection of how the country feels.

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Well... it sounds to me like we are going to end up with the worst of everything.

If Leadsome gets in she's already saying she'd let all EU nationals already living here stay (without getting assurances on our citizens living abroad) and she said today that 'the most important thing is trade', which sounds to me like we will leave, then trade free movement for access to the free market. So what will have been achieved?

Other than that she would lose the next election, obviously.

Mind you I'm pretty sure it will be May.

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Shoot999: "And anyone who puts a Y on the end of his name as a nickname should be punched in the face repeatedly."

She had little choice as most of them are employed here. Imagine the problems in NHS, Education, Transport etc if they were all told to leave in 2 years.

But Leadsom said she's going banish pessimism, and have strong words with Putin - both of them are against gay marriage, so they might actually get along.
Theresa May on the other hand just wants to use migrants (including me) as a bargaining chip to get what she wants, and then take us take us out of the ECHR so she can turn the UK into even more of a police state - having access to everything we do online (or over the phone) obviously isn't enough for her.


So now we're in a situation where the person responsible for securing the future of what is supposed to be one of the greatest democracies in the world, is going to be elected by 150,000 pensioners and right wing activists.

The whole thing has been one giant f**k up from start to finish, and no one, regardless of what they voted for, is going to get what they wanted!

Who are the Tory members picking UK's next prime minister?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn48rxUDXqE

Basically summing up exactly how I feel.

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She had plenty of choice. This is about as stupid as Cameron telling Europe he was certain we would vote Remain and that he would campaign for Remain before going to broker a deal. A better tactic would have been to say that as long as Europe allows our citizens to remain there there will be no issues.

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Shoot999: "And anyone who puts a Y on the end of his name as a nickname should be punched in the face repeatedly."

There is no way on this earth (or any other) that a politician is going to say " right, you lot, get out by the week end " Then the cop the flack when people ask why the hospital appointment was canceled, why they had to keep their kids home from school what the train or bus did not turn up, or why the supermarket had a crowds out the door trying to get served with what little was still on the shelves as they did not get deliveries.

Also, I dont think many people realize the Irish are then EU citizens and have to go

Yes, a reciprocal agreement is the most sense, and TBH she would have had a better playing hand had she not announced this straight up


Edit, I read an article that there may be an option to take an EU passport instead of a UK if you fit the criteria. I have one Irish grandparent, so would definitely take that option if possible. This would have the added bonus that my son and grandchildren could also that the option

I don't really get where this idea comes from that the Leaver's want the immigrants OUT. I don't recall anyone ever saying that, the issue was another 1/2 million every year...

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Shoot999: "And anyone who puts a Y on the end of his name as a nickname should be punched in the face repeatedly."

Most people who were interviewed in Barnsley after the results were in!

I also don't remember anyone during the campaigns saying they want the immigrants out, but they did campaign a lot for control of our borders and stopping immigrants coming in. Now the way I see that, is that you cant refuse people to live here when you've already got x amount of non-British citizens living here no problem. In order to stop new immigrants coming, you must first remove the ones already here.

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UK Gov response to the referendum petition - anyone suprised ?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

So it's either everyone out and no-one comes in, or everyone comes in and bring as many as you like then?

What utter tosh. For a start some of those people that are already here have British born children, so that adds another dimension, and we know we need some of these people. I think the problem is the Remain camp can't distinguish between racists and Leavers, so they lump them all together... just as a lot of Leavers think all Remainers are Lefty-liberals.

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Shoot999: "And anyone who puts a Y on the end of his name as a nickname should be punched in the face repeatedly."

I tend to agree... Why is it that to stop new immigrants you must first remove those here?

a). You, sorry the government, don't get to decide who stays and who goes. You can try figuring out ways to discriminate against EU citizens living in the UK, and might be able to work out ways of getting rid of some of the ones you don't want anymore, but you don't get to decide who stays, they do.

b). This is precisely the sort of language, intentional or otherwise, that makes people realise they're not wanted. "We've just voted to kick you all out, but we'll do you a favour and let you stay provided you're of some use to us".

Some voters genuinely might not have thought they were voting to get rid of people already living in the UK, but given everything that's happened and been said since the referendum, the message, or at least the perception, is very much about getting rid of people.

Oh stop being so dramatic.

We do need some skilled immigrant workers, like medical staff because our own Gvmt failed to invest in training. Indeed a friend of mine would argue that we 'need' a lot more workers in all fields because English people are lazy and don't want to work (he's the boss of a logistics company, so I guess he should know?).

Where did I say that any of them had to leave? Whether we need them or not.

The only people I want to leave the country who are already here are criminals who should be deported.

Furthermore I don't think it's discrimination to say that more people can't come here just because other people are already here. There's plenty of Indians here, does that mean that the other 1.25 billion should be allowed in as well?

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Shoot999: "And anyone who puts a Y on the end of his name as a nickname should be punched in the face repeatedly."

I don't mean to sound like I'm having a go at you, but the whole nonchalant "it'll be alright" attitude just really winds me up. I've just got back from a visit to the UK, and even my own family, friends, and work colleagues don't seem to appreciate just how profound an effect this has on those of us on the receiving end of the Brexit vote.

We (expats in the EU and EU citizens in the UK) are already being used as a bargaining chip by the likes of Boris the buffoon and the rest of May's calamity cabinet and, given Theresa May's recent record (e.g. 48,000 students wrongfully deported, wanting to wriggle out of the ECHR, etc.), I very much doubt she, or the government, have given a second thought to the emotional toll it's already had on people, or how long people can live with the stress of not knowing whether their future is secure. To say they're screwing with millions of people's lives isn't being dramatic or overreacting, at least not when you're on the receiving end.

Just to make matters worse, unless you've lived in your current country for over five years, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it except return to your country of origin. You can't apply for permanent residence because you currently have that right anyway, and you can't apply for citizenship because you haven't lived there long enough, so all you're left with is waiting and hoping Boris, Davis, and the other guy whose name I can't remember, don't completely screw us over.

Things will hopefully work out OK in the end for everyone, but in the meantime it has, and will continue to be an incredibly shi*ty experience, and the people who aren't directly affected really couldn't give a cr@p, so there's very little support or understanding out there - that's how it feels.

I am asking for some help here, because If I go about this the way I would have to, it will be arduous, and I might not even do it, but so often there is a short cut to where someone has already collected the data, so I hope someone here has just done a degree in economic studies or Geography or is just nosy like me.


What I want to do is get an idea of how much of our export is import with value added, and how much comes from outside the EU and goes to it.

Example, we import dupers from Mexico, they go somewhere here and are modified, then sold to EU as Superdupers.

Any assistance will be appreciated, because unless I am ill and unable to go out, I doubt I have the inclination to do it backwards.

Good luck, I think you're going to need it.

Are you excluding stuff like clothes, toys etc. etc. that are manufactured under licence or whatever outside the EU, for UK companies to then sell to the UK and export markets?
How about the infamous prawns that are caught in the North Sea, sent to Thailand to be hand peeled, and then shipped back to the UK for final processing?
Would you count processed foods that include ingredients sourced from outside the EU?

There are lots of different ways to add value (aka make money) from imported goods, e.g. we have a client who imports tools / equipment / machinery from places like Taiwan, China, etc., takes them through the EU certification process, slaps on some stickers and then sells to the UK and EU markets under their own brand. There's another one that's a UK subsidiary of a US company that buys materials (mainly) from another UK subsidiary of a different US corporation, refinishes the product (specialist tapes & foams) and then sells it to automotive, aerospace, medical & scientific OEM's.
So, even when you buy something with a Made in the UK sticker on it, the chances are it will contain components or materials that originated outside the UK. The OEM might be using UK suppliers, but the suppliers will source their own materials and components from wherever offers the best value, which could be just about anywhere.

I personally do not think it's possible to get anything even remotely close to the answer you're looking for. Even if you had all the relevant information, which no one does, it's just too complex to even start working out.

After spending a few hour and getting nowhere I gave up.

It is too convoluted to even get a good guess on.