F1 MERCENARY wrote:
F1 MERCENARY wrote:
I'll bet you any amount of money you bring a Windows PC of the same specs as my Mac Pro and it will not touch its performance in any regard. Not for 2d, 3-D, Video editing and processing, compressing... NOTHING! In Oder to meet the performance of my $3800 machine, you'd have to spend almost $1500 more because your garden variety machine off the shelf isn't gonna do it. In fact you'd have to call up HP, Dell or whatever brand you prefer and special order it like my buddy did with his machines.
Lol. Its actually the opposite. For a $3800 mac you get a Pc with similar specs for almost half the price.
And the good thing about a PC is that you can buy it with custom parts, depending on what you want to do with it. If you want to edit video, you get a PC with lots of ram and a good graphics card, and a proper i7 processor to handle all that. But if you dont want to do that and you only want to use the PC for browsing websites, you can get an extremely cheap PC that will do the job well and for that price you dont find anything similar in apple.
This alone is evidence enough you don't know as much as you think you know.
Apple also offers less expensive machines in the form of the iMac which are themselves really damn powerful and of superior quality to similarly priced PC's which are the ones you are talking about. The last several generations of iMacs are serious machines and the latest news are so fast and powerful we pulled some of our Mac Pro towers this year and replaced them with 27" iMacs and they are now rendering videos in a tenth the time! The nice thing about them is that they too use top tier components rather than the generic off the shelf components found on similarly priced PC's you are speaking of. A little in-depth research will show you all you need to know. And, if you're a tinkerer and prefer to build your own Mac to serve a specific function, you can certainly do so exactly as you can with a PC. And you can run either system on any Mac natively and you can connect external devices formatted for windows/dos and they mount and function just fine. No additional drivers or add-ons needed. Everything just works.
As I stated previously, you definitely can call up manufacturers to special order higher tier PC's but it seems you aren't aware, or you wouldn't have posted that bit up there. I clearly stated that from the get but somehow you managed to dismiss that fact. There are most definitely quality PC's out there, but in order to get Oranges to Oranges (don't want to sound like I'm promoting Apple exclusively) you will have to bust out your wallet.For example… http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/5 ... 0583290316http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... hgod8nMBQA
This one is made by a former client of mine: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/control ... &A=details
They go even higher but you get the picture.
The off the shelf PC you can buy for half the price "IS NOT"
(I underlined and bolded that bit there so you don't miss it this time) of the same quality as a Mac Pro because the components "ARE NOT"
of the highest grade. The Specs may very well be similar and in many cases better, but the quality of the parts are not the best in order to offer the most bang for the buck to the average joe. How's that for marketing & advertising? This is why you see many top tier Macs in service still producing high-quality work for many years longer than their PC counterparts.
It's just like Hard drives… Anyone can buy a Cagigaflop HD with all the bells and whistles for dirt cheap, but there are higher tier HD's more commonly known as Server Quality Hard Drives. The difference in quality these days is far less than it used to be, but rest assured, the higher grade stuff still costs more. You can go to your local superstore and buy a nice Mountain Bike, seemingly with all the bells and whistles as a Giant Anthem Advanced and at first glance, but just because they offer the same capabilities, it doesn't mean they are one and the same. They aren't.Trento
, interesting point about the Apple watch with all the health monitoring capabilities of the watch!
Don't they already have the capability to monitor their stats? Can't recall at the moment.
Haha, ok, you seem to have taken your time responding....
How on earth did you find these highly overpriced machines? I dont know but you must have tried really hard.
You can mount (by pieces) lots of machines that are better than those with a fraction of a price. Many of these components are the same as the Apple ones... so, basically designed by asian companies, and assembled in china. Except for the processor and the graphics card that are usually designed by american companies.
The hard drivers are basically SSD drives - thats one of the reason why apple USED TO be faster than windows machines, but Apple doesnt design or manufacture any of them... and now many windows machines have it too.
You wont fool me
This is an example of high end PC configuration that clearly outperforms any apple machine of the same price: http://www.pccomponentes.com/pccly/B6F4F400
Sorry if my reply took a few days but some of us are workaholics and have deadlines to meet, but finding those machines took all of 5 seconds. I didn't go out of my way to find them because quite frankly they are longtime staples in the industry. Sadly the vast majority of "certified" techs don't know everything but are clueless to that fact.
You are one of those people that will not concede a point at any cost, but FYI, as stated in my post, there are machines that are even more expensive. Perhaps you don't know electronics and the components used to create complex machines but there are tiers of quality for all components and each tier you elect to go up, the price increases accordingly. Just the same way you can buy the best quality stainless steel screws for say $0.012 a piece, go with Titanium screws and the unit cost increases significantly to around $1.90 for what appears upon first inspection to be the same thing. I mean it will feature the same thread pitch, have the same type head, and fastened things together, right?… Wrong!!! And to top it off, that Stainless Steel screw will eventually rust and lose it's flawless stainless finish.
Btw, all the bits of your custom made PC will usually have their warranties, its just that the PC as a whole doesn't. But then again, a person who builds his own PC doesn't see the PC as a thing, he sees his graphics card as a thing, his power supply as a thing, etc...and he replaces that thing when it breaks, and he is able to tell when that is the thing he needs/wants to upgrade/replace. For me, that is a given, but I understand how many people prefer to see the computer as a simplified black box. (I still remember people calling the monitor the computer and the tower the hard disk from my support days). I see my TV, my fridge, and so on like simple black boxes too, you can't be an expert at everything. Heck, apart from changing a tyre, I see my car like that.
Again, you can have all the specs in the world to support your beliefs but you don't just pay for a nice neat package when you buy an Apple computer. You do indeed get as much of the advertised power and speed because of the architecture, which is a whole other element to computer performance. My buddy is a master machinist and is recognized as the best in his industry, but we have another friend who can look at his program runs and change the sequence of passes to shave almost have the machining time on some things because his brain processes things on a whole other level and in his mind things compute differently than most. Same thing with computers.
And while you most certainly build a custom PC for peanuts, you can also elect to buy better components which indeed increase the price. From Motherboards to different brand video cards, processors, power supplies, pretty much every component in a computer has varying degrees of quality, with increased pricing for every tier you elect to go up.
Ironically, I was watching How It's Made with my kids as I worked last night and they featured the new BMW M6 and it's serves as a perfect example of what I am saying. They said that while externally, cosmetically the M6 looks every bit similar to it's non-M counterpart, under the skin it is vastly different. The suspension system is different, the frameworks is different, the Discs for the brakes are different, the engine and complete drivetrain, and pretty much everything under the body is completely different. And while you sit in both and depress a gas pedal to make it go just the same, when you floor the M model it will leave the regular 6 series in the dust.
And just for shiz and giggles… Take the current F1 PU's… All have a similar V6 ICE, All feature an MGU-K, MGK-H, ERS, and a Turbo, Surely they're all the same thing, only Mercedes packages the entire thing more neatly and compactly so people thing they're the fastest. They may all feature the same types systems, but each one has it's own unique architecture and while they all are allowed to Rev to the exact same limits, and the turbines all turn to the same allowable max RPM, so surely they must all perform identically.