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Who will/would you vote for?
Can Vote - Hillary Clinton 14%  14%  [ 5 ]
Can Vote - Donald Trump 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Can Vote - Other Candidate 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
Can't Vote - Hillary Clinton 51%  51%  [ 19 ]
Can't Vote - Donald Trump 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
Can't Vote - Other Candidate 19%  19%  [ 7 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:49 am 
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Prema wrote:

Oh, he does not want it. He's a conman by nature, and here he is playing the game of reverse logic. See, it was him and not Hillary that people wondered about if he was running high on some crack or something, especially after that 1st debate where his "vacuum sucking" nose reminded on the folks that sniff coke and get such. Nobody questioned Hillary.

So now he accuses Hillary for taking drugs, projecting on her his situation. He "calls" for the drug testing, something that he knows well that will not happen (it's a ridiculous idea, belonging rather on some TV reality show). And thus he comes out "clean", and at the same time he can blame on Hillary that there is no drug testing that he wanted (sic!) and hence that is the evidence that she is definitely hiding something and that he is right about her being on drugs.

And that's how he would run his administration and the country if he becomes POTUS.


I'm gonna throw in some scandal. If I had to put in the performance of a lifetime, which could determine whether I run the largest global superpower, I'd probably have some performance enhancing drugs in my system. Why the hell not?


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Ennis wrote:
Prema wrote:

Oh, he does not want it. He's a conman by nature, and here he is playing the game of reverse logic. See, it was him and not Hillary that people wondered about if he was running high on some crack or something, especially after that 1st debate where his "vacuum sucking" nose reminded on the folks that sniff coke and get such. Nobody questioned Hillary.

So now he accuses Hillary for taking drugs, projecting on her his situation. He "calls" for the drug testing, something that he knows well that will not happen (it's a ridiculous idea, belonging rather on some TV reality show). And thus he comes out "clean", and at the same time he can blame on Hillary that there is no drug testing that he wanted (sic!) and hence that is the evidence that she is definitely hiding something and that he is right about her being on drugs.

And that's how he would run his administration and the country if he becomes POTUS.


I'm gonna throw in some scandal. If I had to put in the performance of a lifetime, which could determine whether I run the largest global superpower, I'd probably have some performance enhancing drugs in my system. Why the hell not?



That performance was "enhanced"? 8O

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:28 pm 
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Jezza13 wrote:
Should Drumpf lose the election, and like most of the planet I hope he does, I wonder what, if any, impact his campaign will have on his business.

Maybe it's because I'm on the other side of world but I was never aware of just how unhinged DJT is and now that he has decide to step well and truly into public life where a persons dirty laundry is not so much aired as put up in neon lights on a mobile billboard escorted by a marching band, surely you'd think it would make anyone thinking of doing business with the bloke after the election think twice about who they're dealing with.

Yeah money talks but so do shareholders and personally I wouldn't like any business I have an interest in to be involved with this maniac after what has come to light.

All of Trumps businesses are privately held so he doesn't have to worry about shareholders in that sense, but he does have people/institutions who have made loans to him so he does have people with a stake in his business.

However he has screwed over so many banks over the years that the only (western) bank that will still work with him is Deutsche Bank and they seem to be one of the weakest big international lenders around these days. This leaves him dealing with Chinese banks and Russian oligarchs.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:55 pm 
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I submitted my absentee ballot today as I am going to be in Austin on election day. There is no way in he!! that I would ever vote for trump (I refuse to capitalize that disgusting man's name). Hillary is probably more qualified than any candidate in decades for the role of President. Over 30 years of experience, First Lady for 8 years, US Senator, Secretary of State in addition to being a lawyer and a college law professor.

I actually am somewhat confident in her candidacy if I am to be honest.

As for Trump, he scares the sh1t out of me. The man is a nut case ready to explode, and what is even scarier is the many idiots who think that the man can do and has not done any wrong. I honestly fear the aftermath even when/if he does lose. I'd like to think that we would be done with him, but as he has shown throughout the campaign, he feels the need to strike back at anyone who he feels has questioned him or criticize him. How is he going to handle losing the election and have a nation reject him?

He is an embarrassment to our country in oh so many ways.



The real embarrassment to our country is Trump's supporters. They have no clue about how anything works. They are literally chanting "Jail Hillary" at Trump's rallies because they think he will follow through on what he said in the 2nd debate, when he said he would instruct the attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary. They don't know that the president does not have the power to do that! :lol: It's one of the many "checks" in the "checks and balances" which was introduced specifically to prevent what Donald Trump says he would do: jail a political opponent.

He's already complaining that the election is "rigged" in Hillary's favor, and he has said he wants his supporters at the polls on Election Day not just to vote, but to "keep an eye" on the others.

His running mate, Mike Pence, has the same stance as Hillary on Syria, and Trump openly disagreed with Pence in that 2nd debate. The supporters are buying what Trump is selling them. After years of hating Putin, now they love him, just because Trump waxes lyrical about him.

They even attack Bill Clinton for the sexual allegations women have made against him, but defend Trump regarding the sexual allegations women have made against him, even though Trump is on tape bragging to an entertainment reporter that he has fondled women and that it's easy because he's famous. They also attack Trump's accusers for coming out in an effort to shut them up but, of course, they say that Bill's accusers should be heard.

His supporters don't even want to see Trump's taxes. I'm voting for Hillary, but that doesn't mean I don't want to know what was in those emails she deleted. We should all want to know more about the candidates, whether we support them or not.

In my view, it is not enough that Hillary wins the election. She must slaughter Trump, and Democrats must have a sweeping majority in Congress. The Republicans have to be burned BAD this time as punishment for pandering to these racist idiots for the past 9 years.

I'm a registered Independent, so I hope for a return to a more sensible Republican Party one day (if this HAS to be a two-party system, I'd prefer they both be, at the very least, respectable and sensible), but for now, I hope they go down in flames.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:33 pm 
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Yes, Trump needs to go down by a massive margin. The problem is that he will get more votes than he and his rhetoric deserves simply because of the people who will vote R simply because of their distaste for Clinton. More of an against Clinton than a for Trump vote, but (hopefully) will still end up with enough of an electoral margin to push in into landslide territory and a repudiation of the whole movement.

Now though what really needs to happen is for at least the Senate majority to fall to the Democrats as well since the Republicans are already talking about continuing their obstructionist tactics on court appointments into a near certain Clinton administration.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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Whether Trump wins or loses, the next few years (or maybe a lot) aren't going to be pretty in the US.

It's a demonstrable fact now that a LOT of Americans are willing to buy what Trump is selling. May not be a majority but they don't need to be, to cause significant social damage to the country. Come to think of it, it's already happening. The other day I read a news item where a Muslim American said it feels more difficult to be Muslim in America now than it was in the aftermath of 9/11. That's a very significant thing to say.

If Trump wins the election, he'll use his 'office' to enable his supporters. If he loses, he'll channel his bitter 'victim' rhetoric to fan the flames which are barely beneath the surface as it is. It's a bit of a no-win no matter what happens on election day.


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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:06 pm 
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SnakeSVT2003 wrote:
Blake wrote:
I submitted my absentee ballot today as I am going to be in Austin on election day. There is no way in he!! that I would ever vote for trump (I refuse to capitalize that disgusting man's name). Hillary is probably more qualified than any candidate in decades for the role of President. Over 30 years of experience, First Lady for 8 years, US Senator, Secretary of State in addition to being a lawyer and a college law professor.

I actually am somewhat confident in her candidacy if I am to be honest.

As for Trump, he scares the sh1t out of me. The man is a nut case ready to explode, and what is even scarier is the many idiots who think that the man can do and has not done any wrong. I honestly fear the aftermath even when/if he does lose. I'd like to think that we would be done with him, but as he has shown throughout the campaign, he feels the need to strike back at anyone who he feels has questioned him or criticize him. How is he going to handle losing the election and have a nation reject him?

He is an embarrassment to our country in oh so many ways.



The real embarrassment to our country is Trump's supporters. They have no clue about how anything works. They are literally chanting "Jail Hillary" at Trump's rallies because they think he will follow through on what he said in the 2nd debate, when he said he would instruct the attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary. They don't know that the president does not have the power to do that! :lol: It's one of the many "checks" in the "checks and balances" which was introduced specifically to prevent what Donald Trump says he would do: jail a political opponent.

He's already complaining that the election is "rigged" in Hillary's favor, and he has said he wants his supporters at the polls on Election Day not just to vote, but to "keep an eye" on the others.

His running mate, Mike Pence, has the same stance as Hillary on Syria, and Trump openly disagreed with Pence in that 2nd debate. The supporters are buying what Trump is selling them. After years of hating Putin, now they love him, just because Trump waxes lyrical about him.

They even attack Bill Clinton for the sexual allegations women have made against him, but defend Trump regarding the sexual allegations women have made against him, even though Trump is on tape bragging to an entertainment reporter that he has fondled women and that it's easy because he's famous. They also attack Trump's accusers for coming out in an effort to shut them up but, of course, they say that Bill's accusers should be heard.

His supporters don't even want to see Trump's taxes. I'm voting for Hillary, but that doesn't mean I don't want to know what was in those emails she deleted. We should all want to know more about the candidates, whether we support them or not.

In my view, it is not enough that Hillary wins the election. She must slaughter Trump, and Democrats must have a sweeping majority in Congress. The Republicans have to be burned BAD this time as punishment for pandering to these racist idiots for the past 9 years.

I'm a registered Independent, so I hope for a return to a more sensible Republican Party one day (if this HAS to be a two-party system, I'd prefer they both be, at the very least, respectable and sensible), but for now, I hope they go down in flames.


I learned a couple of interesting things from this article from the Trump voter's perspective – worth a read.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-t ... lks-about/

I don’t live in America so could be wrong, but I think simply writing off the majority Trump supporters as being stupid or ignorant is probably not right.

Be interested to hear if this article resonates with any of our American friends?


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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:28 am 
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"Deplorables" was an uncharacteristically big mistake by Clinton... however, shecstereotyped just like the author of the article has done... repeatedly. The problem with the author of this piece is that he fails to take into account that even in the ferrets or bluest of regions their is still significant numbers of the other color. I live perhaps the "reddest" of red regions... in fact, a very few years ago, part of my Nebraska had the highest percentage of Red votes than any district in the US. Still there was about 25% who voted blue. In many districts it much closer to 40-50 or even a 45-55 split. That is one reason why I think that the article, while, interesting, misses the mark.

Another example... My neighbor has a rural background very similar to my own.... both raised in rural communities... but not farmers. Neither of us wealthy,yet both getting by in a financial sense. Neither of us a part of the "gun culture". Both of us are white males with a ten year difference in age. Both of us are divorced with children. One significant difference is education... I worked to a Masters degree (working two jobs...sometimes 3) to get my degrees.., he stopped after high school. For the most part, however, very similar. Yet he has always been RED, I was Blue then independent. Strangely, I hate to say, my ancestors, even recent family, came from the city and had a scary, distrusted dislike of minority races... Neither my neighbor nor I were exposed to black people in our youth, but I grew up with a significant Hispanic community.

Our story represents but two people and may or not be typical, but to me it re o represents the shortcomings in the author's reasoning. My neighbor is a fanatic trumpie... two signs in his yard, believes ALL of the negativity about trump is made up by the leftie media and I do mean All. They even fabricated donnie's troublesome video. They have covered up Hillary's many murders and stealing... and he blames the Dems and as such Hillary for our country's economic woes, for the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, ISIS and any other conflict in her 30 years. He hates Obamacare and believes the federal government should not have Medicare, Medicare or Welfare programs... that it is not the government's responsibility, nor his, if people can't cut it. Let the churches take care of them... just not with his money. Obviously, he and I, dispite our very similar backgrounds see government in very different ways. How does that fit the author's viewpoints? You simply can't stereotype by geographic region.... it is much more than that. One must consider the make-up of the individual....

All that said, I consider Dennis to be a friend and I tried u st him to watch my house and cat when I travel... funny h know what things work out it sometimes.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:47 am 
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Blake wrote:
"Deplorables" was an uncharacteristically big mistake by Clinton... however, shecstereotyped just like the author of the article has done... repeatedly. The problem with the author of this piece is that he fails to take into account that even in the ferrets or bluest of regions their is still significant numbers of the other color. I live perhaps the "reddest" of red regions... in fact, a very few years ago, part of my Nebraska had the highest percentage of Red votes than any district in the US. Still there was about 25% who voted blue. In many districts it much closer to 40-50 or even a 45-55 split. That is one reason why I think that the article, while, interesting, misses the mark.

Another example... My neighbor has a rural background very similar to my own.... both raised in rural communities... but not farmers. Neither of us wealthy,yet both getting by in a financial sense. Neither of us a part of the "gun culture". Both of us are white males with a ten year difference in age. Both of us are divorced with children. One significant difference is education... I worked to a Masters degree (working two jobs...sometimes 3) to get my degrees.., he stopped after high school. For the most part, however, very similar. Yet he has always been RED, I was Blue then independent. Strangely, I hate to say, my ancestors, even recent family, came from the city and had a scary, distrusted dislike of minority races... Neither my neighbor nor I were exposed to black people in our youth, but I grew up with a significant Hispanic community.

Our story represents but two people and may or not be typical, but to me it re o represents the shortcomings in the author's reasoning. My neighbor is a fanatic trumpie... two signs in his yard, believes ALL of the negativity about trump is made up by the leftie media and I do mean All. They even fabricated donnie's troublesome video. They have covered up Hillary's many murders and stealing... and he blames the Dems and as such Hillary for our country's economic woes, for the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, ISIS and any other conflict in her 30 years. He hates Obamacare and believes the federal government should not have Medicare, Medicare or Welfare programs... that it is not the government's responsibility, nor his, if people can't cut it. Let the churches take care of them... just not with his money. Obviously, he and I, dispite our very similar backgrounds see government in very different ways. How does that fit the author's viewpoints? You simply can't stereotype by geographic region.... it is much more than that. One must consider the make-up of the individual....

All that said, I consider Dennis to be a friend and I tried u st him to watch my house and cat when I travel... funny h know what things work out it sometimes.


I think the over-riding message you're getting at is not everyone is the same. I think the author of any article is going to accept this, but you need to generalize to get an opinion across. There will always be outliers within it. All you can comment on is the general trend.


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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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What I was trying to say is that one can look at his tons of red map and draw conclusions that it is as simple as red and blue ... cities are all blue and rural is all red, but that doesn't really tell the story. Yes, there is no doubt that the large population areas lean Democratic, and the same for the rural leaning Republican. However, just as we are seeing in Texas and Utah, two states that have been overwhelmingly Red, but now find themselves close to being "toss up" states, there is a large segment of blue in Red states, and vis-versa. So, when a distinctly unqualified individual like donnie comes along, they can be moved.

I think it is the hope of many an American that Clinton has a landslide victory, one that really makes it clear that donnie and the trumpies are not going to rule, not now, not ever. With the Clinton campaign now investing in advertising in states like Texas, Utah, Arizona and other supposedly Red states, we see something unheard of in recent election campaigns... before it would have been considered a waste of money.

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The linked article does paint with a rather broad brush in order to illustrate his point.

Personally I'm much like the author, in that I was raised in a rural "red" area and my family voted Republican for the most part. Unlike the author I started moving left pretty much as soon as I started to become politically aware at around age 15 instead of leaving home before having my perception changed by moving away.

I think a lot of it is down to some people seeing rights being applied to others (LGBT, minorities) as giving them more rights and the expense of those who already took such rights as a given, which in turn steps on their own rights. This theme is nothing new and has been going on since the civil rights movement in the late 50's.

The difference now is that with the internet everyone has a bully pulpit from which to spout their thoughts and beliefs which can make it seem that they have a larger audience than they really do.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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RaggedMan wrote:
I think a lot of it is down to some people seeing rights being applied to others (LGBT, minorities) as giving them more rights and the expense of those who already took such rights as a given, which in turn steps on their own rights. This theme is nothing new and has been going on since the civil rights movement in the late 50's.

Agreed. I think what makes many people angry is the reduction of their white privilege. It's a shame people feel that way, but change always causes a certain amount of people to feel that they are being treated unfairly.


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Did anyone else see the highlights of charity dinner (presidential roast)?

Trump didn't come off very well in that. I know it's traditional to makes dig's about your opponent, but surely Trump's writers would've known that what he said was neither funny, light hearted or appropriate.

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Did anyone else see the highlights of charity dinner (presidential roast)?

Trump didn't come off very well in that. I know it's traditional to makes dig's about your opponent, but surely Trump's writers would've known that what he said was neither funny, light hearted or appropriate.


Saw it. He keeps making a fool of himself.

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So the head of the FBI just initiated the end of his career by trying to influence the election by making an unprecedented statement on the fact they'd found emails that are of interest on a device belonging to the wife of the Weiner moron who happens to be a Clinton aide.

the truth, that Trump and the media are happily vaulting past, is that the emails weren't from Clinton, nor have they actually looked at them because they haven't applied for the warrant to be able to view them as they don't pertain to the case the FBI were running against Weiner.

there's zero evidence right now that there's anything illegal in the emails and yet Comey makes a public statement announcing an investigation.

Polls done since the announcement show no real change for Clinton or Trump.

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So the head of the FBI just initiated the end of his career by trying to influence the election by making an unprecedented statement on the fact they'd found emails that are of interest on a device belonging to the wife of the Weiner moron who happens to be a Clinton aide.

the truth, that Trump and the media are happily vaulting past, is that the emails weren't from Clinton, nor have they actually looked at them because they haven't applied for the warrant to be able to view them as they don't pertain to the case the FBI were running against Weiner.

there's zero evidence right now that there's anything illegal in the emails and yet Comey makes a public statement announcing an investigation.

Polls done since the announcement show no real change for Clinton or Trump.

I must admit I haven't been following this story, does the FBI chief (I assume it's the top guy?) have any political history that would show motive? Die-hard republican for example or someone who has been very anti-Clinton?


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So the head of the FBI just initiated the end of his career by trying to influence the election by making an unprecedented statement on the fact they'd found emails that are of interest on a device belonging to the wife of the Weiner moron who happens to be a Clinton aide.

the truth, that Trump and the media are happily vaulting past, is that the emails weren't from Clinton, nor have they actually looked at them because they haven't applied for the warrant to be able to view them as they don't pertain to the case the FBI were running against Weiner.

there's zero evidence right now that there's anything illegal in the emails and yet Comey makes a public statement announcing an investigation.

Polls done since the announcement show no real change for Clinton or Trump.

I must admit I haven't been following this story, does the FBI chief (I assume it's the top guy?) have any political history that would show motive? Die-hard republican for example or someone who has been very anti-Clinton?


Judging only by what's known publicly, he just seems to be a blundering attention grabber. His earlier declaration about not recommending criminal charges against Clinton was out of line as it apparently stepped on Dept. Of Justice authority to do so.

This instance, he's again jumped the gun way before they found anything, if there's anything there at all. Apparently went against regular procedure again reg. not disclosing details of ongoing investigations.

Add the Attorney General being found in private conversation with Bill Clinton, which compromises even legitimate DOJ concerns going forward as biased/tainted, this is all a sorry mess.

His being a registered Republican seems nothing more than a sorry afterthought to his gross incompetence to head the nation's premier investigative institution.


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From what I've seen out there, apparently this isn't the first time Comey has gone after the Clintons.

it's also being reported that the FBI have an investigation ongoing about links between Trump and the Russian Government, but Comey refused to announce it because it would affect the election... and that part of the investigation involves a Trump business server along with a former advisor who quit after his links to Russia were uncovered.

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From what I've seen out there, apparently this isn't the first time Comey has gone after the Clintons.

it's also being reported that the FBI have an investigation ongoing about links between Trump and the Russian Government, but Comey refused to announce it because it would affect the election... and that part of the investigation involves a Trump business server along with a former advisor who quit after his links to Russia were uncovered.


Comey has indeed gone after them, which is why it was big news when he said Hillary would not be charged with a crime for the whole email thing.

Unfortunately, the most press here is about the FBI and the emails, not the Trump server linked to a Russian bank.

Trump has burned almost every bank that has loaned him money, which has destroyed his credibility with almost all Western banks except for Deutsche Bank, so he has turned to Russian oligarchs and Chinese banks to continue borrowing money for his business ventures. It's no surprise that there is a link to Russia, but the way the articles are wording it, that there is a "secretive" communication going on between Trump and the Russian bank, makes me wonder what on earth that can be about? Surely it's not a secret that Trump borrows money from the bank.

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SnakeSVT2003 wrote:
SDLRob wrote:
From what I've seen out there, apparently this isn't the first time Comey has gone after the Clintons.

it's also being reported that the FBI have an investigation ongoing about links between Trump and the Russian Government, but Comey refused to announce it because it would affect the election... and that part of the investigation involves a Trump business server along with a former advisor who quit after his links to Russia were uncovered.


Comey has indeed gone after them, which is why it was big news when he said Hillary would not be charged with a crime for the whole email thing.

Unfortunately, the most press here is about the FBI and the emails, not the Trump server linked to a Russian bank.

Trump has burned almost every bank that has loaned him money, which has destroyed his credibility with almost all Western banks except for Deutsche Bank, so he has turned to Russian oligarchs and Chinese banks to continue borrowing money for his business ventures. It's no surprise that there is a link to Russia, but the way the articles are wording it, that there is a "secretive" communication going on between Trump and the Russian bank, makes me wonder what on earth that can be about? Surely it's not a secret that Trump borrows money from the bank.

It's one thing to borrow from a bank, and a completely other thing to have a server of some type directly linked with it.

The reporting on this is so thin at this point there's no way to judge what exactly might be going on there. What I found very sketchy about it was that it taken down shortly after the initial story broke, and another went up in it's place soon after which was also taken down when it was found by the folks who found it in the first place.

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Don’t know if anyone saw the piece on how Trump cheated a multitude of the small businesses that supplied goods or services to his various projects, basically he refused to pay them and offered 25c in the $ to settle their invoices with the threat of protracted and expensive legal action if they refused – then would eventually pay a only proportion of that 25% - lots of threats, intimidation and causing real hardship to small business owners seemed standard practice.


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The stories about Trump screwing over small businesses are well known here. Unfortunately there's a lot of people who will vote against their own interests because he says that he'll make all of their dreams come true without providing a single detailed plan of just how he plans on going about it.

The fact that he's never done anything for anyone other than himself doesn't make them take pause to ponder why it would be that now he want's to take care of the "little man" despite his lack of interest until now.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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I would say that it would have been nice to see a little more written about Trump's policies and how he hopes to achieve his goals, but then people don't seem particularly interested in reality, it's all about how you 'feel', what 'seems' right, and what fits with your already entrenched views, so when Trump declares he's 'going to make America great again', no seems to even think to question the statement.

In person, to your face at least, Trump is probably a perfectly charming person, but as a presidential candidate he appears to be a rather grubby, vindictive, and generally nasty caricature of his own phoney TV persona, but then plenty of people liked his TV show, so why would they not like an even more OTT version of himself.

Clinton may not come across as likeable, and she definitely lacks charisma, but it seems to me it would be far better to put up with her for the next few years, and then hopefully next time round you'll get some decent candidates.


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Pretty nice bit from comedian Louis CK about why he is voting for Clinton:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFOkBnYGfIM



That said, this video, from 20 years ago, does seem relevant these days, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v7XXSt9XRM

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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Jimbox01 wrote:
I would say that it would have been nice to see a little more written about Trump's policies and how he hopes to achieve his goals, but then people don't seem particularly interested in reality, it's all about how you 'feel', what 'seems' right, and what fits with your already entrenched views, so when Trump declares he's 'going to make America great again', no seems to even think to question the statement.

In person, to your face at least, Trump is probably a perfectly charming person, but as a presidential candidate he appears to be a rather grubby, vindictive, and generally nasty caricature of his own phoney TV persona, but then plenty of people liked his TV show, so why would they not like an even more OTT version of himself.

Clinton may not come across as likeable, and she definitely lacks charisma, but it seems to me it would be far better to put up with her for the next few years, and then hopefully next time round you'll get some decent candidates.


He doesn't really have any policies, he is but a snake oil salesman. Example, one of his main "policies", he will repeal Obamacare as the first thing once he is in the Office, and replace it with something "terrific". And that's all. Not a single word ever about any concept of what that "terrific" new affordable health care would be. Nobody knows. There isn't anything else, but to work further on this one. Nobody will really repeal it, but it is popular to point at faults and have no actual solution. Any fool can do so, simply pointing out faults, that is easiest thing in the world. The world is full of faults.

Clinton, in spite of whatever flaws she got, you can bet that she will work her donkey day and night, she has been doing that all her life. Trump is showman conman bully that knows only for intimidation and threats as the way. That might have worked in his favour that to enrich himself and his family, sure. But it won't make America any great. He will make sure that both the White House and the Capitol Hill are endlessly preoccupied with but bitching about him.


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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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Good luck guys.

Like most on the outside looking in I'm hoping for Clinton to win. Polls are looking good :thumbup:


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My normally quiet get in, vote, and get out polling place was packed to the gills this morning so I think this might end up being one of the highest turn out elections in memory.

Being that I'm in an area where the biggest local employer is the Navy base I'd be a little nervous about my place being so packed if it weren't for a few articles lately showing that most of the individual contributions from military personnel to the two campaigns going to Clinton and that a friend who works at the Pentagon saying that his personal experience is that ~80% of the people he talks to there are backing her as well. (sample of one of course but I'll take what reassurances I can get)

The thing to watch now is how the Senate races play out. If it doesn't end up at least a 50/50 split we're in for more gridlock and obstructionism.

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Looking more and more likely to be another shocker somewhat like Brexit. I half expected it anyway


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I'm genuinely scared right now.

I think we are about to ruin the world tonight.

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SnakeSVT2003 wrote:
I'm genuinely scared right now.

I think we are about to ruin the world tonight.


What the f**k is going on. I didn't think this was possible. Holy sh*t. Trump might actually end up US President?

Man, 2016 hasn't played out at all how I expected.


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mac_d wrote:
SnakeSVT2003 wrote:
I'm genuinely scared right now.

I think we are about to ruin the world tonight.


What the f**k is going on. I didn't think this was possible. Holy sh*t. Trump might actually end up US President?

Man, 2016 hasn't played out at all how I expected.


2016 is officially the worst year ever.

By the way, just found out that the Mayan calendar doesn't end in December 2012. It ended in June 2016....

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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Voting for a bigoted, racist , sexist, fascist, arrogant man over someone that used the wrong email account. Makes sense.

Wtf are you doing America?

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2016 has been a great advert for dictatorship.


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The world is going to be a very interesting place in the next few years, to put it mildly.


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Oops 8O

Well ok, um, yeah, this is going to be fun.

Russia is happy, Japan & Sth Korea reaching for a change of Huggies, every leader of the western world is quietly asking themselves how in hell are they going to deal with this nutcase and ladder & concrete salesmen in Mexico are out shopping for yachts & mansions.

I tell ya what. All those US doomsday prepper fruitcakes on those shows are starting to look like bloody visionaries now.

Hmm. Time to buy the DVD's, check ebay out for shipping containers and to learn how to turn urine into drinking water I think.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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Well, I'm not so surprised that Trump won.

Trump is nowhere near perfect but he has actually some good ideas and proposals, unlike Hillary... she has nothing. No genuine proposals, no ideas, no charisma... And she lacks honesty aswell, she can't be trusted.
With trump, you can like or dislike his ideas but you can really feel his honesty.

Hillary is just a mere shadow of Bill and Obama at the same time.


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Great news another American President who is from Scottish descent. :]


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scotlandforever wrote:
Great news another American President who is from Scottish descent. :]



This is a man who labelled the Scottish government as "small minded and parochial". He declared former Scottish First Minister, Alex Salmond as "an irrelevant has-been" and has insulted many Scots by calling their native land "a slum" ?

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