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Who will/would you vote for?
Can Vote - Hillary Clinton 14%  14%  [ 5 ]
Can Vote - Donald Trump 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Can Vote - Other Candidate 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Can't Vote - Hillary Clinton 53%  53%  [ 19 ]
Can't Vote - Donald Trump 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
Can't Vote - Other Candidate 19%  19%  [ 7 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:40 pm 
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Since it's coming up to Election Day in the states and news about the presidential race is dominating news coverage all over the world, I thought it would be interesting to get insight into PF1 users views.

I've split the options into two so people who actually will vote can select from the top three options and those who can't can select from the bottom three options, just to give any insight into the difference of opinion inside and outside of the U.S.

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I don't trust Trump. I don't like him from anything I've really heard of him dating to long before the election. Maybe all big business folks are dicks, you probably don't make that much money being nice and not exploiting some legal things. I think he's a bully. And I do not like the idea of a bully being at the head of the USA with it's military and economic might (the two best ways to wreck another country - by blowing it to hell or by stopping them making any money). Now, maybe it's also unreasonable to use his business behaviours as an indicator of his potential political behaviours.

I really don't think Trump is the man for the job. I'm not sure Clinton is the woman for the job either. I really am concerned that we are going to see some very troubling times specially pertaining to race in the USA. If I was American, I'd be voting Clinton or third party (sure, waste your vote). It's a bit of the whole South Park douche vs turd sandwich debate. But the morbid curiosity in me kinda wants to see Trump. If this was almost any other country it'd be funny.


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An election? In the US, you say? Interesting! When is it?

I find it utterly depressing that these are the two candidates to emerge from a democratic process within the two main parties of the so called "leading country of the free world".

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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It's a bit like asking whether you'd prefer a punch in the mouth or a kick in the balls.


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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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Biffa wrote:
It's a bit like asking whether you'd prefer a punch in the mouth or a kick in the balls.


A punch in the mouth for me, as long as it is made of fresh fruits and good rhum...

Seriously, as a non American mainly interested in consequences of the US election on US foreign policy, I don't trust any of the 2 main candidates. I wouldn't bet Mrs Clinton, who supported every criminal action of the Bush administration, is a better choice for the rest of the world than Mr Trump (except for Mexicans, obviously...).
If I was an American citizen, I'd probably vote for Mrs Clinton, with no other motive than preventing Mr Trump to be elected.

On a side note, we'll have to vote for our President next year, and it looks like it will be the same sort of mascarade. All our western "democraties" need a radical reboot !

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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Clinton is a warmonger and her entire attitude to the world, protecting herself and human life scares the daylights out of me.

If Trump got in, the world would probably be safer than with Clinton (which is scary in itself), but who knows what state the US would end up in compared to today (can't be worse than the UK!).

I feel sorry for the US voters, with only 2 choices. Then I remember that for some reason everyone in the UK keeps voting for stupid s*it anyway. But at least we give people a multiple options and its their own stupidity that drives their decision making.


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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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I can't believe there should even be an option. However much you may dislike Clinton, how could anyone possibly want a complete lunatic in charge of their country?

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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I submitted my absentee ballot today as I am going to be in Austin on election day. There is no way in he!! that I would ever vote for trump (I refuse to capitalize that disgusting man's name). Hillary is probably more qualified than any candidate in decades for the role of President. Over 30 years of experience, First Lady for 8 years, US Senator, Secretary of State in addition to being a lawyer and a college law professor.

I actually am somewhat confident in her candidacy if I am to be honest.

As for Trump, he scares the sh1t out of me. The man is a nut case ready to explode, and what is even scarier is the many idiots who think that the man can do and has not done any wrong. I honestly fear the aftermath even when/if he does lose. I'd like to think that we would be done with him, but as he has shown throughout the campaign, he feels the need to strike back at anyone who he feels has questioned him or criticize him. How is he going to handle losing the election and have a nation reject him?

He is an embarrassment to our country in oh so many ways.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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No dog in this race for me, and no vote either. But the way I see it it is a very poor choice between hell and high water.

I think if Trump gets it, despite him being what he is, or rather because of it, he will be watched carefully bu those aroubf him and held somewhat in check. Clinton I think is just as bad, but seen as more controlled, so is more likely to slip a Mickey Finn through without people noticing.

I also think Trump will be more concerned with "at home" while Clinton will be looking out the window with her spoon in her hand.

For the sake of the US, and the rest of the world, I hope they have good teams behind them


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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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If the run-up to this election hasn't proved the US need a modern election process, nothing will.

Trump does a perfect job of convincing any doubters there's no actual use in voting for him. Clinton is a safer choice, but to pretend there's only a choice between these two is too short-sighted for words. From the general media over here, I can hardly get informed about other candidates. And I suppose things won't really be much better for those actually being asked to vote.

I can't vote, and would never vote for an idiot like Trump, unlikely to vote Rodham, so ... other.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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Blake wrote:
I submitted my absentee ballot today as I am going to be in Austin on election day. There is no way in he!! that I would ever vote for trump (I refuse to capitalize that disgusting man's name). Hillary is probably more qualified than any candidate in decades for the role of President. Over 30 years of experience, First Lady for 8 years, US Senator, Secretary of State in addition to being a lawyer and a college law professor.

I actually am somewhat confident in her candidacy if I am to be honest.

I agree with you 100% Blake. (I'll also be voting early, in a week and a half, because election day is right between two vacation weekends for me, and I expect to be super busy.) While she is certainly not averse to using her position to make herself richer, Hillary has a history of public service going back to her university days. I don't think Donald has ever served anyone but himself.

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For the sake of the US, and the rest of the world, I hope they have good teams behind them

This is another reason I have confidence in Hillary. She will have seen, as first lady of both Arkansas and the US, the importance of having good people around her and actually listening and taking their advice. With her history of working within the system, I have no doubt she will assemble a good team around her. Donald seems to have driven off most the professional strategists and replaced them with people of dubious quality and no experience.

An interesting side note is that if Hillary wins, and gets re-elected in four years, the election in 2024 will see new voters who have no meaningful memory of a white male US president. After two and a quarter centuries of nothing but, it is a thought that makes me smile.


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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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While I'm not thrilled with Clinton as a candidate all you really need to know is that Trump is a know-nothing, who has done nothing for anyone but himself, narcissist who is doing this only to feed his own ego.

It's clear from many of the things he's said throughout the campaign that he has little idea how the government works and which braches are responsible for different duties to the people.

It amazes me that he continues to hold sway over so many people when he's had dozens of gaffes, anyone of which would've brought any other candidate down before the primaries were over.

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This is a bit like asking me to select my favorite venereal disease.

Hmm, let me think. Gonorrhea or Chlamydia? Decisions, decisions.

If I were voting, there is no way on this earth I would vote Trump. He just coming across as a Lunatic and potentially very dangerous.

The guy's making Charles Manson look like a well adjusted, deep thinking and rational human being.

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Clinton is the (far) lesser of two evils.

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Trump for sure. America chocolate fudge cake yeah!


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Just got around to watching the latest Clinton/Trump debate and wow I could not believe how low the bar is, childish playground stuff. Is that really the level that we’re at these days? Really really embarrassing! 8O :lol:

And before anyone pulls me up, I do realise politics in the UK has not been much better recently.


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I wonder how many seconds it would take for me to be sacked if I spoke to a colleague at school and talked about dating one of the children in 10 years time!

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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Asphalt_World wrote:
I wonder how many seconds it would take for me to be sacked if I spoke to a colleague at school and talked about dating one of the children in 10 years time!


Absolutely!

Pretty much any teacher or public servant I know would be immediately suspended or sacked (quite rightly) for publically saying the same things that the potential president of the US has said. Think about that for a second America!


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Biffa wrote:
Just got around to watching the latest Clinton/Trump debate and wow I could not believe how low the bar is, childish playground stuff. Is that really the level that we’re at these days? Really really embarrassing! 8O :lol:

And before anyone pulls me up, I do realise politics in the UK has not been much better recently.

When running against a candidate with tons of baggage you don't put up someone with even more.

The Republicans managed to nominate someone for his boast of "not being a politician" during an election where just about anyone who is a career politician would have a better than average chance to beat the Democrats nominee.

For the record I'm a left leaning moderate who has never registered as a member of any political party.

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RaggedMan wrote:
Biffa wrote:
Just got around to watching the latest Clinton/Trump debate and wow I could not believe how low the bar is, childish playground stuff. Is that really the level that we’re at these days? Really really embarrassing! 8O :lol:

And before anyone pulls me up, I do realise politics in the UK has not been much better recently.

When running against a candidate with tons of baggage you don't put up someone with even more.

The Republicans managed to nominate someone for his boast of "not being a politician" during an election where just about anyone who is a career politician would have a better than average chance to beat the Democrats nominee.

For the record I'm a left leaning moderate who has never registered as a member of any political party.


Yes I think this whole idea of it being good ‘not being a politician’ is a bit of a lazy and flawed argument aimed squarely at the non-thinking soundbite voter.
Not a good attribute given the current state of things I should think.


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How will they work in some of the more religious countries in regions such as the middle east?

For instance, Trump has probably annoyed a fair few Muslims by the way he has somewhat tarred them all with the same brush.
I'm not sure how Clinton, as a woman, would fair in countries where perhaps certain expectations for women exist that do not match Western culture.

I like political discussions, they always make me realise how wildly ignorant I am about so many facets of life.


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Asphalt_World wrote:
I wonder how many seconds it would take for me to be sacked if I spoke to a colleague at school and talked about dating one of the children in 10 years time!


I also wonder how long a teacher would last if they proposed bombing people without trial just because they're a nuisance, of laughed at people being sodomised and killed.

Trump is a horrible, sleazy human being. He seems to have outdated, sexist views - or at least engages in that type of conversation (although I've heard similar from both male and female said tongue in cheek). But let's not pretend many of the accepted politicians don't have similarly extreme views, for some reason we just accept people who are happy to kill brown people from far away.


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How will they work in some of the more religious countries in regions such as the middle east?

For instance, Trump has probably annoyed a fair few Muslims by the way he has somewhat tarred them all with the same brush.
I'm not sure how Clinton, as a woman, would fair in countries where perhaps certain expectations for women exist that do not match Western culture.

I like political discussions, they always make me realise how wildly ignorant I am about so many facets of life.


I think Clinton's warmongering and her absolute commitment to Israel regardless of Israeli actions will do more to form opinion of her in the Middle East than her gender will.


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Everything I've seen about both Trump and Clinton.... it has to be Clinton for me. Trump is erratic, frantic and downright dangerous with the vile abuse he (and his 'surrogates') spew around the place. He mocks disabled people, he shouts about jobs going overseas while buying his campaign hats from China... he's called for Hillary to be shot and also for her to be hacked by Russia. The man doesn't have a single fully formed plan for how to 'Make America Great Again'.

Clinton has her problems.... the whole Email fairy cakes storm is one of them.... But she doesn't scare me in power... trump does.

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Ennis wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
I wonder how many seconds it would take for me to be sacked if I spoke to a colleague at school and talked about dating one of the children in 10 years time!


I also wonder how long a teacher would last if they proposed bombing people without trial just because they're a nuisance, of laughed at people being sodomised and killed.

Trump is a horrible, sleazy human being. He seems to have outdated, sexist views - or at least engages in that type of conversation (although I've heard similar from both male and female said tongue in cheek). But let's not pretend many of the accepted politicians don't have similarly extreme views, for some reason we just accept people who are happy to kill brown people from far away.

BIB: I'll admit to having heard and even said things that could be seen as objectifying women; i.e. "I'd do her" "Look at those legs" etc. The problem with what was on the tape released last week isn't their gawking at the woman who was there to greet them, it was him saying that he doesn't wait for any sort of sign that a woman is interested in him before starting to kiss them and that "they'll let" you do anything (I'm tempted to write the other phrase just to see what the swear filter would do) you want as long as you're "a star" meaning wealthy, well known, or powerful.

Then when asked directly about whether or not he does such things without women's consent at the debate he played it off as "locker room talk" and claimed that he'd never actually done that. The predictable result of which was women who have had him do just that, after years of repressing it or staying silent, said "Aw, hell no." and brought their stories to light.

It's sad that after all of the other hateful, stupid crap he's spewed over the last year and half that this will be the thing that finally brings him down and that it took so long. Hopefully though it will start a meaningful discussion about what is and isn't acceptable behavior for men toward women.

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How will they work in some of the more religious countries in regions such as the middle east?

For instance, Trump has probably annoyed a fair few Muslims by the way he has somewhat tarred them all with the same brush.
I'm not sure how Clinton, as a woman, would fair in countries where perhaps certain expectations for women exist that do not match Western culture.

I like political discussions, they always make me realise how wildly ignorant I am about so many facets of life.

Clinton has worked well with, outwardly, moderate Arab/Muslim countries for years as First Lady, Secretary of State, and through her foundation as have other female PM's from other countries so I don't think there will be a problem in that regard.

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Never in all of my life here have I see the media (news papers, tv, etc) so biased towards one person. Must be something really that scares them at a high level about trump.... and I mean $$$$.

The dirt on hillary runs way deeper than just a few thousand emails, she has sold her country for cash, proven that she will not support troops under fire, has has no problem with telling lies to cover it all up, + 30 years other scandals.

Now is not trump the best fit either, quite raw with words, has no political experience at all, but then he is an outsider. Certainly has money so the idea of $$ for influence should not be in question. He does know how the wall street game is played, perhaps that is what worries people so much on both sides (Republcant/Democrack).

To quote South Park, what we have here is a choice between a "douche bag and a giant turd"... You can't really defend either, and if you argue one side or the other you just seem like a fool and get upset over nothing in the end.

So the option you did not post... is the one that I may take. I served my country for 6 year and 10 months in the military, so mine is the option of skipping voting this time, unless something changes in the next few weeks (what more could wikileaks come up with that the media will ignore?).


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Never in all of my life here have I see the media (news papers, tv, etc) so biased towards one person. Must be something really that scares them at a high level about trump.... and I mean $$$$.

Trump is the Republican nominee because he got so much free media exposure through out the primaries. Nobody is afraid of his wealth, if they were he wouldn't be taking the shellacking he is right now.

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The dirt on hillary runs way deeper than just a few thousand emails, she has sold her country for cash, proven that she will not support troops under fire, has has no problem with telling lies to cover it all up, + 30 years other scandals.

The dirt on Clinton has been discussed and adjudicated over, and over, and over again yet never any charges filed or suits brought. Although the truth of all of those things do paint her in a bad light there is nothing so bad that is puts her beyond most politicians.

There were far more Americans, both military and civilian, killed in attacks on US Embassies and interests in every administration prior to Obama. From Kobar Towers to the USS Cole yet none of the officials from those administrations faced nearly the same scrutiny that Clinton did even when the other party held the majority in the House of Representatives.

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Now is not trump the best fit either, quite raw with words, has no political experience at all, but then he is an outsider. Certainly has money so the idea of $$ for influence should not be in question. He does know how the wall street game is played, perhaps that is what worries people so much on both sides (Republcant/Democrack).

This is my opinion of course, but I believe that money for influence would be a greater risk with Trump in the White House and he would certainly not turn a blind eye to what impact decisions he would make as President would have on the Trump businesses. The fact that neither he nor his children understand what a blind trust is, based on their own public statements, bears this out.

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To quote South Park, what we have here is a choice between a "douche bag and a giant turd"... You can't really defend either, and if you argue one side or the other you just seem like a fool and get upset over nothing in the end.

Not gonna argue this point at all.

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So the option you did not post... is the one that I may take. I served my country for 6 year and 10 months in the military, so mine is the option of skipping voting this time, unless something changes in the next few weeks (what more could wikileaks come up with that the media will ignore?).

I served too, during the Reagan administration. I was stationed at Marine Barracks Washington DC when the barracks in Beirut was bombed. I went to Dover AFB to receive the bodies as they were being brought back and then later performed firing parties at funerals for some who were from the area. That was a bigger failure by orders of magnitude than what happened in Libya (the guards at the gate weren't allowed to have their weapons locked and loaded) but you wouldn't know that from listening to the far right.

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Is there no version of the "protest vote" in US? it is a straight one or the other?

How do deliberately spoiled papers count?


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Blake wrote:
I submitted my absentee ballot today as I am going to be in Austin on election day.


Wait, Blake STILL posts here?

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Is there no version of the "protest vote" in US? it is a straight one or the other?

How do deliberately spoiled papers count?

There will be 2 other candidates on the ballot. Johnson for the Libertarian party and Stein for the Greens.

The rules for write in votes varies from state to state, and in most places you can choose to not make a selection for some offices/initiatives. However I think that some places invalidate the whole ballot if anything is left blank.

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I dont know if this would be considered good reading, but its worth reading.
Mostly from his personal point of view, but, well, you see what you think.

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jeffw wrote:
Never in all of my life here have I see the media (news papers, tv, etc) so biased towards one person. Must be something really that scares them at a high level about trump.... and I mean $$$$.

No question the vast majority of media outlets, including Republican and conservative sources, are against Donnie (I will call him that because we usually give nicknames to yet to mature little kids, even when they are clothed in adult bodies). However, contrary to your reasoning, I think you will find that it is because they realize that donnie is not what we want leading this country and that he could do infinitely more harm than any other candidate. His money? Are you sure he even has any "big" money? It is very commonly thought that he is not worth anywhere near what he claims to be and the withheld tax statements could well prove it. There is also the question of just who he owes money too and how much. His money certainly did not scare the NY newspaper that told him to "bring it on" with hs lawsuits aren't acting to "scared"

The dirt on hillary runs way deeper than just a few thousand emails, she has sold her country for cash, proven that she will not support troops under fire, has has no problem with telling lies to cover it all up, + 30 years other scandals.

Tell me, have you read those emails that donnie keeps harping on? In fact, there is little in them that condemns her to any great measure. What they do exponse is the world of politics in the US today... not necessarily pretty, but nothing that donnie hasn't done similarly in the business world... you know, the same one where he has declared mulitple bankrupcies and screwed many people out of their owed money. Sold her country for cash? Prove it. That story was debunked weeks ago. Not support her troops underfire? Funny thing, on one hand donnie surrogates accuse her of being a military hawk and on the other hand claim she doesn't support them. As for those 30 years of scandals... how many proven cases have we seen? donnie is great at throwing mud (conspriracy theories) at the wall without any proof and just hoping the mud sticks... and it has... to his surrogates. Unfortunately for him, the majority of voters appear to see them for what they are, desparation on the part of an immature billiionaire (maybe) who wants to play President.

Now is not trump the best fit either, quite raw with words, has no political experience at all, but then he is an outsider. Certainly has money so the idea of $$ for influence should not be in question. He does know how the wall street game is played, perhaps that is what worries people so much on both sides (Republcant/Democrack).
Knows how the Wall Street game is played does not equate with the ability to run a country. I know that donnie likes to "trump" his business accumen, but the reality of that talent is in reality, quite questionable. I suspect that there are a fair number of people who, had they been given millions of dollars as a foundation, could have done quite well in the business world...and not had to declare bankruptcy multiple times there by screwing many companies, banks, people out of money that they were rightly entititled to.

To quote South Park, what we have here is a choice between a "douche bag and a giant turd"... You can't really defend either, and if you argue one side or the other you just seem like a fool and get upset over nothing in the end.

So the option you did not post... is the one that I may take. I served my country for 6 year and 10 months in the military, so mine is the option of skipping voting this time, unless something changes in the next few weeks (what more could wikileaks come up with that the media will ignore?).

Media is not ignoring the wikileaks emails, do you not read? The stories are out there to be read. It is not their fault if donnie keeps providing them even more scandalous headlines. donnie himself, the businessman, should understand that "sex sells" and he has given them the perfect headline fodder over and over again. The funny part is that donnie brought it on himself. Had he just appologized for his comments/actions toward the beauty queen he put down, all of this might have died on the vine, instead he went after her all over again, and again, and again for week after the debate. He is a fool... and sadly, a dangerous out of control fool.

Thanks for your service to our country, Jeff. I would urge you, however, to vote.. it is a responsibility and you should know that being a veteran... and if you don't vote, you have absolutely no room to complain about how things go in the next presidency.

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So Trump wants drug tests now. Is this actually a spoof election campaign and we're all on a world wide version of the Truman Show?

To be fair though, if they do test Trump and his results are negative, at least they know they can start pumping him with the drugs other people like him are forced to take!

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Asphalt_World wrote:
So Trump wants drug tests now. Is this actually a spoof election campaign and we're all on a world wide version of the Truman Show?

To be fair though, if they do test Trump and his results are negative, at least they know they can start pumping him with the drugs other people like him are forced to take!


Oh, he does not want it. He's a conman by nature, and here he is playing the game of reverse logic. See, it was him and not Hillary that people wondered about if he was running high on some crack or something, especially after that 1st debate where his "vacuum sucking" nose reminded on the folks that sniff coke and get such. Nobody questioned Hillary.

So now he accuses Hillary for taking drugs, projecting on her his situation. He "calls" for the drug testing, something that he knows well that will not happen (it's a ridiculous idea, belonging rather on some TV reality show). And thus he comes out "clean", and at the same time he can blame on Hillary that there is no drug testing that he wanted (sic!) and hence that is the evidence that she is definitely hiding something and that he is right about her being on drugs.

And that's how he would run his administration and the country if he becomes POTUS.


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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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Never in all of my life here have I see the media (news papers, tv, etc) so biased towards one person. Must be something really that scares them at a high level about trump.... and I mean $$$$.


Do you realise that 3 weeks to the election day, but a single one among 100 major newspaper in the USA has endorsed Trump? Such has never happened in the history of the USA presidential elections. Even some traditionally conservative newspapers that last time endorsed a Democrat all the way back before the WW2, have endorsed Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper ... tion,_2016

Now, yes, one may chose to characterise that as a "bias" towards Trump. Or, a "blunt condemnation" perhaps.

But then, with the "bias" option, you'll have to extend that one even on those GOP leaders, starting with the top seated Ryan, that are turning their backs (and many literally taking back their endorsement) to their nominee. Never happened in the history either.

And you can vouch that the world leaders are openly "biased" to Trump too (well, bar Russians and North Koreans). Hollande said that Trump made him feel to puke. And I just listen today to Nicola Sturgeon saying, "I expect the people of the United States will have the good sense not to elect him".
Cameron said for him, “I think his remarks are divisive, stupid and wrong,”. A list of others:
http://fortune.com/2016/02/24/donald-tr ... a-critics/

So much "bias." As you said, "Must be something really that scares them at a high level about Trump." The only question... what that "something" could be?


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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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I can’t vote, but I prefer Clinton. She at least possesses the tact, diplomacy & control that Trump so spectacularly lacks. Hilary is better prepared in terms of detailed, coherent policies too.

As for Trump, I find it difficult to reconcile how a man who espouses sexist/racist/insulting views can be considered fit for office.

Trump lacks filter. Lacks constraint. Is a potential loose cannon. And on some key policies, he is vague. During the second presidential debate, when questioned about detailed strategies pertaining to healthcare & the Syrian refugee crisis, he was evasive and unclear.

Like or loathe her, Hilary is highly qualified for the role. She is a rational, calm, experienced pair of hands who knows how government operates. And on the world stage, not only does she command a greater respect, but she has the temperament to represent Americans in a measured & dignified manner. Trump, unfortunately, possesses none of these qualities.

Many Americans have trust issues with Clinton. It’s one of her greater weaknesses. Some disdainfully view her as part of the status quo. Others simply dislike her. She’s not perfect. But weighing all the pros & cons, she is still preferable to the alternative. I sincerely hope the American electorate sees sense and vote in her favour.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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The main media attention with Trump these days seems to be on his "grab 'em for pu$$y" side of persona. But something else is falling under the radar, and that one being of a more sinister character - he is working systematically on pulling the carpet under the democratic process in the US. He is being very explicit in proclaiming these elections rigged and already fixed for his political opponent. He proclaimed the existence of the elaborated conspiracy against him. The last time that a presidential candidate from one of the major parties did such kind of attack, was just prior to the Civil War. Trump is a danger to America, not someone who will "make America great again".

Even the GOP leaders that are starting withdrawing the support, he is threatening to turn his "movement" against them. He is holding the GOP as a hostage. His ship sinks, but he will take down anybody and everybody with himself... be it "his" party (he does not really give a crap about), or the county. If he is going to lose the elections and his most dear money invested in, then screw everybody and America too.


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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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I fear that you have summed up donnie all to well, Prema, my friend. i am fearful of what his whole campaign has done to this country. Hillary was right in her summation of a significant part of his followers.... sadly they are more than willing to be duped, such is their hate.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton or Trump?
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Should Drumpf lose the election, and like most of the planet I hope he does, I wonder what, if any, impact his campaign will have on his business.

Maybe it's because I'm on the other side of world but I was never aware of just how unhinged DJT is and now that he has decide to step well and truly into public life where a persons dirty laundry is not so much aired as put up in neon lights on a mobile billboard escorted by a marching band, surely you'd think it would make anyone thinking of doing business with the bloke after the election think twice about who they're dealing with.

Yeah money talks but so do shareholders and personally I wouldn't like any business I have an interest in to be involved with this maniac after what has come to light.

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