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DWilD
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:58 pm 
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I decided to see how consistent the drivers were via the following points system:

24 points for 1st place
23 points for 2nd place
22 points for 3rd place
.....
2 points for 23rd place
1 point for 24 place
0 points for RET,DNS,DNQ

If F1 was scored like that the tables would look like this (compared to current system, shown on right) [updated after vettel penalty in Germany]:

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    Driver         | Points | Diff.|        Driver         | Points | Diff. |
Fernando Alonso    |   214  |   0  |   Fernando Alonso     |  154   |   0   |
Mark Webber        |   202  | -12  |   Mark Webber         |  120   | -34   |
Kimi Räikkönen     |   192  | -22  |   Sebastian Vettel    |  110   | -44   |
Sebastian Vettel   |   184  | -30  |   Kimi Räikkönen      |   98   | -56   |
Nico Rosberg       |   173  | -41  |   Lewis Hamilton      |   92   | -62   |
Lewis Hamilton     |   167  | -47  |   Nico Rosberg        |   76   | -78   |
Jenson Button      |   154  | -60  |   Jenson Button       |   68   | -86   |
Paul di Resta      |   140  | -74  |   Romain Grosjean     |   61   | -93   |
Sergio Pérez       |   139  | -75  |   Sergio Pérez        |   47   | -107  |
Nico Hülkenberg    |   133  | -81  |   Kamui Kobayashi     |   33   | -121  |
Felipe Massa       |   125  | -89  |   Pastor Maldonado    |   29   | -125  |
Kamui Kobayashi    |   117  | -97  |   Michael Schumacher  |   29   | -125  |
Romain Grosjean    |   111  | -103 |   Paul di Resta       |   27   | -127  |
Bruno Senna        |   111  | -103 |   Felipe Massa        |   23   | -131  |
Jean-Éric Vergne   |   109  | -105 |   Nico Hülkenberg     |   19   | -135  |
Daniel Ricciardo   |   108  | -106 |   Bruno Senna         |   18   | -136  |
Pastor Maldonado   |   103  | -111 |   Jean-Éric Vergne    |    4   | -150  |
Michael Schumacher |    88  | -126 |   Daniel Ricciardo    |    2   | -152  |
Heikki Kovalainen  |    70  | -144 |   Heikki Kovalainen   |    0   | -154  |
Vitaly Petrov      |    60  | -154 |   Vitaly Petrov       |    0   | -154  |
Timo Glock         |    59  | -155 |   Timo Glock          |    0   | -154  |
Charles Pic        |    46  | -168 |   Charles Pic         |    0   | -154  |
Pedro de la Rosa   |    36  | -178 |   Narain Karthikeyan  |    0   | -154  |
Narain Karthikeyan |    33  | -181 |   Pedro de la Rosa    |    0   | -154  |


Code:
    Constructor      | Points | Diff. |     Constructor      | Points | Diff. |
Red Bull-Renault     |  386   |    0  | Red Bull-Renault     |  230   |    0  |
Ferrari              |  339   |  -47  | Ferrari              |  177   |  -53  |
McLaren-Mercedes     |  321   |  -65  | McLaren-Mercedes     |  160   |  -70  |
Lotus-Renault        |  303   |  -83  | Lotus-Renault        |  159   |  -71  |
Force India-Mercedes |  273   | -113  | Mercedes             |  105   | -125  |
Mercedes             |  261   | -125  | Sauber-Ferrari       |   80   | -150  |
Sauber-Ferrari       |  256   | -130  | Williams-Renault     |   47   | -183  |
Toro Rosso-Ferrari   |  217   | -169  | Force India-Mercedes |   46   | -184  |
Williams-Renault     |  214   | -172  | Toro Rosso-Ferrari   |    6   | -224  |
Caterham-Renault     |  130   | -256  | Caterham-Renault     |    0   | -230  |
Marussia-Cosworth    |  105   | -281  | Marussia-Cosworth    |    0   | -230  |
HRT-Cosworth         |   69   | -317  | HRT-Cosworth         |    0   | -230  |


P.S. If it is decided that this should go in the 'normal' forum, that can be arranged.


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Interestingly, the championship would stay pretty much the same at the top, Just shows that consistency is the key in 2012. :nod:

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orbthef1fan wrote:
Interestingly, the championship would stay pretty much the same at the top, Just shows that consistency is the key in 2012. :nod:

makes winning less important, which i don't really like. maybe give the podium sitters more points, and it could work brilliantly.

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orbthef1fan wrote:
Interestingly, the championship would stay pretty much the same at the top, Just shows that consistency is the key in 2012. :nod:


They are closer to Alonso points wise, however, at this stage.
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AngusWolfe wrote:
makes winning less important, which i don't really like. maybe give the podium sitters more points, and it could work brilliantly.

give the podium sitters more points and you creep back towards the real points system. This shows the drivers that cautiously stay near the front and out of trouble as well as those who win. Kimi falls into this category so is doing well.

That was the problem with 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1, little incentive for 2nd to push for the win and risk losing 8 points. If you crashed, it took potentially 5 races to claw back to the winner (assuming they finished 2nd to your 1st each time). Now it's just over 3, when Prost and Senna were around it was either 3 or even 2.5 races.

That's when you know when a points system works, when it's worth pushing to win, but it doesn't take forever to catch up if it fails.

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How on earth has Glock got 59 points?!

And HOW has Karthikeyan got 33?!

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Gintynm wrote:
How on earth has Glock got 59 points?!

And HOW has Karthikeyan got 33?!


Because when they finish and lots of other drivers have retired, they'd get more points in this new system...

IE - For Narain, he finished 15th in Monaco which in this alternative system would gain him 10pts. 18th in Valencia got him 7pts...

etc

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Shows how much a retirement (or several) costs you - MSC, Hamilton & Maldo are down a lot (less so for Hamilton)

Also Fi do well in both championships

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Updated tables after Hungary race.

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    Driver         | Points | Diff.|        Driver         | Points | Diff. |
Fernando Alonso    |   234  |   0  |   Fernando Alonso     |  164   |   0   |
Mark Webber        |   219  | -15  |   Mark Webber         |  124   | -40   |
Kimi Räikkönen     |   215  | -19  |   Sebastian Vettel    |  122   | -42   |
Sebastian Vettel   |   205  | -29  |   Lewis Hamilton      |  117   | -47   |
Lewis Hamilton     |   191  | -43  |   Kimi Räikkönen      |  116   | -48   |
Nico Rosberg       |   188  | -46  |   Nico Rosberg        |   77   | -87   |
Jenson Button      |   173  | -61  |   Jenson Button       |   76   | -88   |
Paul di Resta      |   153  | -81  |   Romain Grosjean     |   76   | -88   |
Sergio Pérez       |   150  | -84  |   Sergio Pérez        |   47   | -117  |
Nico Hülkenberg    |   147  | -87  |   Kamui Kobayashi     |   33   | -131  |
Felipe Massa       |   141  | -93  |   Pastor Maldonado    |   29   | -135  |
Romain Grosjean    |   133  | -101 |   Michael Schumacher  |   29   | -135  |
Bruno Senna        |   129  | -105 |   Paul di Resta       |   27   | -137  |
Kamui Kobayashi    |   124  | -110 |   Felipe Massa        |   25   | -139  |
Jean-Éric Vergne   |   118  | -116 |   Nico Hülkenberg     |   19   | -145  |
Daniel Ricciardo   |   118  | -116 |   Bruno Senna         |   18   | -136  |
Pastor Maldonado   |   115  | -119 |   Jean-Éric Vergne    |    4   | -160  |
Michael Schumacher |    88  | -146 |   Daniel Ricciardo    |    2   | -162  |
Heikki Kovalainen  |    78  | -156 |   Heikki Kovalainen   |    0   | -164  |
Vitaly Petrov      |    66  | -168 |   Vitaly Petrov       |    0   | -164  |
Timo Glock         |    63  | -171 |   Timo Glock          |    0   | -164  |
Charles Pic        |    51  | -183 |   Charles Pic         |    0   | -164  |
Pedro de la Rosa   |    39  | -195 |   Narain Karthikeyan  |    0   | -164  |
Narain Karthikeyan |    33  | -201 |   Pedro de la Rosa    |    0   | -164  |


Code:
    Constructor      | Points | Diff. |     Constructor      | Points | Diff. |
Red Bull-Renault     |  424   |    0  | Red Bull-Renault     |  246   |    0  |
Ferrari              |  375   |  -49  | McLaren-Mercedes     |  193   |  -53  |
McLaren-Mercedes     |  364   |  -60  | Lotus-Renault        |  192   |  -54  |
Lotus-Renault        |  348   |  -76  | Ferrari              |  189   |  -57  |
Force India-Mercedes |  300   | -124  | Mercedes             |  106   | -140  |
Mercedes             |  276   | -148  | Sauber-Ferrari       |   80   | -166  |
Sauber-Ferrari       |  274   | -150  | Williams-Renault     |   47   | -183  |
Williams-Renault     |  244   | -180  | Force India-Mercedes |   46   | -200  |
Toro Rosso-Ferrari   |  236   | -188  | Toro Rosso-Ferrari   |    6   | -240  |                                                   
Caterham-Renault     |  144   | -280  | Caterham-Renault     |    0   | -246  |
Marussia-Cosworth    |  114   | -310  | Marussia-Cosworth    |    0   | -246  |
HRT-Cosworth         |   72   | -352  | HRT-Cosworth         |    0   | -246  |
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Interesting how close Ferrari and McLaren are...

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Heikki Kovalainen  |    78  | -156 |   Heikki Kovalainen   |    0   | -164  |
Vitaly Petrov      |    66  | -168 |   Vitaly Petrov       |    0   | -164  |
Timo Glock         |    63  | -171 |   Timo Glock          |    0   | -164  |
Charles Pic        |    51  | -183 |   Charles Pic         |    0   | -164  |
Pedro de la Rosa   |    39  | -195 |   Narain Karthikeyan  |    0   | -164  |
Narain Karthikeyan |    33  | -201 |   Pedro de la Rosa    |    0   | -164  |


I actually think this is more telling at the lower end of the table, as they all have identical points without having behavied identically. The inter-team order is what I'd expect too. Kovi > Petrov, Glock > Pic, Super Pedro > Narain. In rough terms, the performance gap between the two Caterhams and between the two Marussias is about the same. I rate Glock and Kovi similarly, so I guess that makes Pic pretty solid, to be roughly matching Petrov (apologies if that is totally unclear!).

Also, suprised Narain and Pedro are as close, but I'm a big Pedro fan so that is probably why I seem to think he is a lot better.
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mac_d wrote:
Code:
Heikki Kovalainen  |    78  | -156 |   Heikki Kovalainen   |    0   | -164  |
Vitaly Petrov      |    66  | -168 |   Vitaly Petrov       |    0   | -164  |
Timo Glock         |    63  | -171 |   Timo Glock          |    0   | -164  |
Charles Pic        |    51  | -183 |   Charles Pic         |    0   | -164  |
Pedro de la Rosa   |    39  | -195 |   Narain Karthikeyan  |    0   | -164  |
Narain Karthikeyan |    33  | -201 |   Pedro de la Rosa    |    0   | -164  |


I actually think this is more telling at the lower end of the table, as they all have identical points without having behavied identically. The inter-team order is what I'd expect too. Kovi > Petrov, Glock > Pic, Super Pedro > Narain. In rough terms, the performance gap between the two Caterhams and between the two Marussias is about the same. I rate Glock and Kovi similarly, so I guess that makes Pic pretty solid, to be roughly matching Petrov (apologies if that is totally unclear!).

Also, suprised Narain and Pedro are as close, but I'm a big Pedro fan so that is probably why I seem to think he is a lot better.


One notable thing is also that there's a smaller difference between Schumi and Heikki, than what there is between Heikki and Petrov! But Schumi's DNFs are probably distorting that picture quite a lot.

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Updated tables after Italy race.

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    Driver        | Points | Diff. |        Driver         | Points | Diff. |
Kimi Räikkönen    |   257  |   0   |      Fernando Alonso   |   179 |     0 |
Fernando Alonso   |   256  |  -1   |      Lewis Hamilton    |   142 |   -37 |
Mark Webber       |   243  |  -14  |      Kimi Räikkönen    |   141 |   -38 |
Sebastian Vettel  |   231  |  -26  |      Sebastian Vettel  |   140 |   -39 |
Nico Rosberg      |   220  |  -37  |      Mark Webber       |   132 |   -47 |
Lewis Hamilton    |   215  |  -42  |      Jenson Button     |   101 |   -78 |
Jenson Button     |   197  |  -60  |      Nico Rosberg      |    83 |   -96 |
Paul di Resta     |   185  |  -72  |      Romain Grosjean   |    76 |   -103|
Felipe Massa      |   182  |  -75  |      Sergio Pérez      |    65 |   -114|
Sergio Pérez      |   173  |  -84  |      Felipe Massa      |    47 |   -132|
Nico Hülkenberg   |   172  |  -85  |      Michael Schumacher|    43 |   -136|
Bruno Senna       |   157  |  -100 |      Kamui Kobayashi   |    35 |   -144|
Kamui Kobayashi   |   152  |  -105 |      Paul di Resta     |    32 |   -147|
Daniel Ricciardo  |   147  |  -110 |      Nico Hülkenberg   |    31 |   -148|
Jean-Éric Vergne  |   135  |  -122 |      Pastor Maldonado  |    29 |   -150|
Romain Grosjean   |   133  |  -124 |      Bruno Senna       |    25 |   -154|
Pastor Maldonado  |   129  |  -128 |      Jean-Éric Vergne  |     8 |   -171|
Michael Schumacher|   125  |  -132 |      Daniel Ricciardo  |     4 |   -175|
Heikki Kovalainen |   97  |   -160 |      Heikki Kovalainen |     0 |   -179|
Vitaly Petrov     |   87  |   -170 |      Vitaly Petrov     |     0 |   -179|
Timo Glock        |   81  |   -176 |      Timo Glock        |     0 |   -179|
Charles Pic       |   69  |   -188 |      Charles Pic       |     0 |   -179|
Pedro de la Rosa  |   53  |   -204 |      Narain Karthikeyan|     0 |   -179|
Narain Karthikeyan|   39  |   -218 |      Pedro de la Rosa  |     0 |   -179|


Code:
    Constructor     | Points | Diff.|     Constructor          | Points | Diff.|
Red Bull-Renault    |   474  |    0 |      Red Bull-Renault    |   272  |   0  |
Ferrari             |   438  |  -36 |      McLaren-Mercedes    |   243  |  -29 |
McLaren-Mercedes    |   412  |  -62 |      Ferrari             |   226  |  -46 |
Lotus-Renault       |   402  |  -72 |      Lotus-Renault       |   217  |  -55 |
Force India-Mercedes|   357  | -117 |      Mercedes            |   126  |  -146|
Mercedes            |   345  | -129 |      Sauber-Ferrari      |   100  |  -172|
Sauber-Ferrari      |   325  | -149 |      Force India-Mercedes|    63  |  -209|
Williams-Renault    |   286  | -188 |      Williams-Renault    |    54  |  -218|
Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |   282  | -192 |      Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |    12  |  -260|
Caterham-Renault    |   184  | -290 |      Caterham-Renault    |     0  |  -272|
Marussia-Cosworth   |   150  | -322 |      Marussia-Cosworth   |     0  |  -272|
HRT-Cosworth        |    92  | -382 |      HRT-Cosworth        |     0  |  -272|


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Wow Kimi Raikkonen at the top, shows how much he really deserves a win!

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very good, shows how f1 isn't rewarding consistency, but is rewarding podiums
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very good, shows how f1 isn't rewarding consistency, but is rewarding podiums

Which is exactly what this new point system was designed to do :thumbup:

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Updated tables after SINGAPORE.

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      Driver      |Points| Diff |      Driver      |Points| Diff |
Fernando Alonso   | 278  |  0   |Fernando Alonso   | 194  |  0   |
Kimi Räikkönen    | 276  | -2   |Sebastian Vettel  | 165  | -29  |
Mark Webber       | 257  | -21  |Kimi Räikkönen    | 149  | -45  |
Sebastian Vettel  | 255  | -23  |Lewis Hamilton    | 142  | -52  |
Nico Rosberg      | 240  | -38  |Mark Webber       | 132  | -62  |
Jenson Button     | 220  | -58  |Jenson Button     | 119  | -75  |
Lewis Hamilton    | 215  | -63  |Nico Rosberg      |  93  | -101 |
Paul di Resta     | 206  | -72  |Romain Grosjean   |  82  | -112 |
Felipe Massa      | 199  | -79  |Sergio Pérez      |  66  | -128 |
Sergio Pérez      | 188  | -90  |Felipe Massa      |  51  | -143 |
Nico Hülkenberg   | 183  | -95  |Paul di Resta     |  44  | -150 |
Bruno Senna       | 164  | -114 |Michael Schumacher|  43  | -151 |
Kamui Kobayashi   | 164  | -114 |Kamui Kobayashi   |  35  | -159 |
Daniel Ricciardo  | 163  | -115 |Nico Hülkenberg   |  31  | -163 |
Romain Grosjean   | 151  | -127 |Pastor Maldonado  |  29  | -165 |
Jean-Éric Vergne  | 135  | -143 |Bruno Senna       |  25  | -169 |
Pastor Maldonado  | 129  | -149 |Jean-Éric Vergne  |   8  | -186 |
Michael Schumacher| 125  | -153 |Daniel Ricciardo  |   6  | -188 |
Heikki Kovalainen | 107  | -171 |Timo Glock        |   0  | -194 |
Timo Glock        |  94  | -184 |Heikki Kovalainen |   0  | -194 |
Vitaly Petrov     |  93  | -185 |Vitaly Petrov     |   0  | -194 |
Charles Pic       |  78  | -200 |Charles Pic       |   0  | -194 |
Pedro de la Rosa  |  61  | -217 |Narain Karthikeyan|   0  | -194 |
Narain Karthikeyan|  39  | -239 |Pedro de la Rosa  |   0  | -194 |


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Red Bull-Renault    |  512 |  0   |Red Bull-Renault    | 297  |  0   |
Ferrari             |  477 | -35  |McLaren-Mercedes    | 261  | -36  |
Lotus-Renault       |  439 | -73  |Ferrari             | 245  | -52  |
McLaren-Mercedes    |  435 | -77  |Lotus-Renault       | 231  | -66  |
Force India-Mercedes|  389 | -123 |Mercedes            | 136  | -161 |
Mercedes            |  365 | -147 |Sauber-Ferrari      | 101  | -196 |
Sauber-Ferrari      |  352 | -160 |Force India-Mercedes|  75  | -222 |
Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |  298 | -214 |Williams-Renault    |  54  | -243 |
Williams-Renault    |  293 | -219 |Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |  14  | -283 |
Caterham-Renault    |  200 | -312 |Marussia-Cosworth   |   0  | -297 |
Marussia-Cosworth   |  172 | -338 |Caterham-Renault    |   0  | -297 |
HRT-Cosworth        |  100 | -412 |HRT-Cosworth        |   0  | -297 |
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^Amazing how close Fernando and Kimi are!

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The Closer Kimi comes to winning the more i like this system xD

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Updated tables after JAPAN.

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      Driver      |Points| Diff |      Driver      |Points| Diff |
Kimi Räikkönen    | 295  |  0   |Fernando Alonso   | 194  |  0   |
Sebastian Vettel  | 279  | -16  |Sebastian Vettel  | 190  | -4   |
Fernando Alonso   | 278  | -17  |Kimi Räikkönen    | 157  | -37  |
Mark Webber       | 273  | -22  |Lewis Hamilton    | 152  | -42  |
Jenson Button     | 241  | -54  |Mark Webber       | 134  | -60  |
Nico Rosberg      | 240  | -55  |Jenson Button     | 131  | -63  |
Lewis Hamilton    | 235  | -60  |Nico Rosberg      |  93  | -101 |
Felipe Massa      | 222  | -73  |Romain Grosjean   |  82  | -112 |
Paul di Resta     | 219  | -76  |Felipe Massa      |  69  | -125 |
Nico Hülkenberg   | 201  | -94  |Sergio Pérez      |  66  | -128 |
Sergio Pérez      | 188  | -107 |Kamui Kobayashi   |  50  | -144 |
Kamui Kobayashi   | 186  | -109 |Paul di Resta     |  44  | -150 |
Daniel Ricciardo  | 178  | -117 |Michael Schumacher|  43  | -151 |
Bruno Senna       | 175  | -120 |Nico Hülkenberg   |  37  | -157 |
Romain Grosjean   | 157  | -138 |Pastor Maldonado  |  33  | -161 |
Jean-Éric Vergne  | 147  | -148 |Bruno Senna       |  25  | -169 |
Pastor Maldonado  | 146  | -149 |Jean-Éric Vergne  |   8  | -186 |
Michael Schumacher| 139  | -156 |Daniel Ricciardo  |   7  | -187 |
Heikki Kovalainen | 117  | -178 |Timo Glock        |   0  | -194 |
Timo Glock        | 103  | -192 |Heikki Kovalainen |   0  | -194 |
Vitaly Petrov     | 101  | -194 |Vitaly Petrov     |   0  | -194 |
Charles Pic       |  78  | -217 |Charles Pic       |   0  | -194 |
Pedro de la Rosa  |  68  | -227 |Narain Karthikeyan|   0  | -194 |
Narain Karthikeyan|  39  | -256 |Pedro de la Rosa  |   0  | -194 |


Code:
     Constructor    |Points| Diff |     Constructor    |Points| Diff |
Red Bull-Renault    |  552 |  0   |Red Bull-Renault    | 324  |  0   |
Ferrari             |  500 | -52  |McLaren-Mercedes    | 283  | -41  |
McLaren-Mercedes    |  476 | -76  |Ferrari             | 263  | -61  |
Lotus-Renault       |  473 | -79  |Lotus-Renault       | 231  | -66  |
Force India-Mercedes|  420 | -132 |Mercedes            | 136  | -188 |
Mercedes            |  379 | -173 |Sauber-Ferrari      | 116  | -208 |
Sauber-Ferrari      |  374 | -178 |Force India-Mercedes|  81  | -243 |
Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |  325 | -227 |Williams-Renault    |  58  | -266 |
Williams-Renault    |  321 | -231 |Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |  15  | -309 |
Caterham-Renault    |  218 | -334 |Marussia-Cosworth   |   0  | -324 |
Marussia-Cosworth   |  181 | -371 |Caterham-Renault    |   0  | -324 |
HRT-Cosworth        |  107 | -445 |HRT-Cosworth        |   0  | -324 |
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So if Kimi finished third in the final 5 races he would be champion without ever winning a race.
I don't think that has ever happened & it doesn't seem right.
Seb or Fernando could win all the remaining races & yet not catch him.

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As a point of interest, the past systems would have had the following effects [just to see if we can get a similar pattern from days gone by]:

8-6-4-3-2
ALO-54
VET-53
HAM-40

10-6-4-3-2-1
ALO-60
VET-60
HAM-46

10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1
ALO-78
VET-78
HAM-59

So, in short, Raikkonen would never before have been in a position such as that stated by OB1. And if he was, it would strike me as an incredibly contrived result.

Having said that, looking at position changes across the season, overall the driver who has made up the most places over the season is Raikkonen, with 42, despite losing 10 places in China. Close behind him, due to attrition, are the HRT of Kathikeyan and Glock's Marussia, both with 40. At the other end of the table, with -85 [only 7 worse than Schumacher...] is Romain Grosjean. Thus it is fair to say Raikkonen has schooled his teammate more than anyone else has managed, and perhaps has taken the Lotus closer to it's limits than anyone else, with the possible exception at times of Alonso. I admit also that Massa doesn't contrast Alonso as much as Grosjean does for Raikkonen, but the data is still interesting, especially to those who think Kimi should be in the title hunt.

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Updated tables after KOREA.

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      Driver      |Points| Diff |      Driver      |Points| Diff |
Kimi Räikkönen    | 315  |  0   |Sebastian Vettel  | 215  |  0   |
Sebastian Vettel  | 303  | -12  |Fernando Alonso   | 209  | -6   |
Fernando Alonso   | 300  | -15  |Kimi Räikkönen    | 167  | -48  |
Mark Webber       | 296  | -19  |Lewis Hamilton    | 153  | -62  |
Lewis Hamilton    | 250  | -65  |Mark Webber       | 152  | -63  |
Felipe Massa      | 243  | -72  |Jenson Button     | 131  | -84  |
Jenson Button     | 241  | -74  |Nico Rosberg      |  93  | -122 |
Nico Rosberg      | 240  | -75  |Romain Grosjean   |  88  | -127 |
Paul di Resta     | 232  | -83  |Felipe Massa      |  81  | -134 |
Nico Hülkenberg   | 220  | -95  |Sergio Pérez      |  66  | -149 |
Sergio Pérez      | 202  | -113 |Kamui Kobayashi   |  50  | -165 |
Daniel Ricciardo  | 194  | -121 |Nico Hülkenberg   |  45  | -170 |
Kamui Kobayashi   | 186  | -129 |Paul di Resta     |  44  | -171 |
Bruno Senna       | 185  | -130 |Michael Schumacher|  43  | -172 |
Romain Grosjean   | 175  | -140 |Pastor Maldonado  |  33  | -182 |
Jean-Éric Vergne  | 164  | -151 |Bruno Senna       |  25  | -190 |
Pastor Maldonado  | 157  | -158 |Jean-Éric Vergne  |  12  | -203 |
Michael Schumacher| 151  | -164 |Daniel Ricciardo  |   9  | -206 |
Heikki Kovalainen | 125  | -190 |Timo Glock        |   0  | -215 |
Timo Glock        | 110  | -205 |Heikki Kovalainen |   0  | -215 |
Vitaly Petrov     | 110  | -205 |Vitaly Petrov     |   0  | -215 |
Charles Pic       |  84  | -231 |Charles Pic       |   0  | -215 |
Pedro de la Rosa  |  68  | -247 |Narain Karthikeyan|   0  | -215 |
Narain Karthikeyan|  44  | -271 |Pedro de la Rosa  |   0  | -215 |


Code:
     Constructor    |Points| Diff |     Constructor    |Points| Diff |
Red Bull-Renault    |  599 |  0   |Red Bull-Renault    | 367  |  0   |
Ferrari             |  543 | -56  |Ferrari             | 290  | -77  |
McLaren-Mercedes    |  491 | -108 |McLaren-Mercedes    | 284  | -83  |
Lotus-Renault       |  490 | -109 |Lotus-Renault       | 255  | -112 |
Force India-Mercedes|  452 | -147 |Mercedes            | 136  | -231 |
Mercedes            |  391 | -208 |Sauber-Ferrari      | 116  | -251 |
Sauber-Ferrari      |  388 | -211 |Force India-Mercedes|  89  | -278 |
Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |  358 | -241 |Williams-Renault    |  58  | -309 |
Williams-Renault    |  342 | -257 |Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |  21  | -346 |
Caterham-Renault    |  235 | -364 |Marussia-Cosworth   |   0  | -367 |
Marussia-Cosworth   |  194 | -405 |Caterham-Renault    |   0  | -367 |
HRT-Cosworth        |  112 | -487 |HRT-Cosworth        |   0  | -367 |
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Covalent
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Kimi lose his lead already?

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Updated tables after ABU DHABI.

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      Driver      |Points| Diff |      Driver      |Points| Diff |
Kimi Räikkönen    | 357  |  0   |Sebastian Vettel  | 255  |  0   |
Sebastian Vettel  | 349  | -8   |Fernando Alonso   | 245  | -10  |
Fernando Alonso   | 346  | -11  |Kimi Räikkönen    | 198  | -57  |
Mark Webber       | 318  | -39  |Mark Webber       | 167  | -88  |
Jenson Button     | 282  | -75  |Lewis Hamilton    | 165  | -90  |
Felipe Massa      | 280  | -77  |Jenson Button     | 153  | -102 |
Lewis Hamilton    | 271  | -86  |Felipe Massa      |  95  | -160 |
Paul di Resta     | 261  | -96  |Nico Rosberg      |  93  | -162 |
Nico Rosberg      | 254  | -103 |Romain Grosjean   |  90  | -165 |
Nico Hülkenberg   | 237  | -120 |Sergio Pérez      |  66  | -189 |
Daniel Ricciardo  | 221  | -136 |Kamui Kobayashi   |  58  | -197 |
Bruno Senna       | 217  | -140 |Nico Hülkenberg   |  49  | -206 |
Kamui Kobayashi   | 216  | -141 |Paul di Resta     |  46  | -209 |
Sergio Pérez      | 212  | -145 |Michael Schumacher|  43  | -212 |
Romain Grosjean   | 191  | -166 |Pastor Maldonado  |  43  | -212 |
Jean-Éric Vergne  | 187  | -170 |Bruno Senna       |  20  | -225 |
Pastor Maldonado  | 186  | -171 |Jean-Éric Vergne  |  12  | -243 |
Michael Schumacher| 168  | -189 |Daniel Ricciardo  |  10  | -245 |
Heikki Kovalainen | 144  | -213 |Timo Glock        |   0  | -255 |
Vitaly Petrov     | 127  | -230 |Heikki Kovalainen |   0  | -255 |
Timo Glock        | 126  | -231 |Vitaly Petrov     |   0  | -255 |
Charles Pic       |  90  | -267 |Charles Pic       |   0  | -255 |
Pedro de la Rosa  |  76  | -281 |Narain Karthikeyan|   0  | -255 |
Narain Karthikeyan|  48  | -309 |Pedro de la Rosa  |   0  | -255 |


Code:
     Constructor    |Points| Diff |     Constructor    |Points| Diff |
Red Bull-Renault    |  667 |  0   |Red Bull-Renault    | 422  |  0   |
Ferrari             |  626 | -41  |Ferrari             | 340  | -82  |
McLaren-Mercedes    |  553 | -114 |McLaren-Mercedes    | 318  | -104 |
Lotus-Renault       |  548 | -119 |Lotus-Renault       | 288  | -134 |
Force India-Mercedes|  498 | -169 |Mercedes            | 136  | -286 |
Sauber-Ferrari      |  428 | -239 |Sauber-Ferrari      | 124  | -298 |
Mercedes            |  422 | -245 |Force India-Mercedes|  95  | -327 |
Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |  408 | -259 |Williams-Renault    |  73  | -349 |
Williams-Renault    |  403 | -264 |Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |  22  | -400 |
Caterham-Renault    |  271 | -396 |Marussia-Cosworth   |   0  | -422 |
Marussia-Cosworth   |  216 | -451 |Caterham-Renault    |   0  | -422 |
HRT-Cosworth        |  124 | -543 |HRT-Cosworth        |   0  | -422 |
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Updated tables after AUSTIN.

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      Driver      |Points| Diff |      Driver      |Points| Diff |
Kimi Räikkönen    | 376  |  0   |Sebastian Vettel  | 273  |  0   |
Sebastian Vettel  | 372  | -4   |Fernando Alonso   | 260  | -13  |
Fernando Alonso   | 368  | -8   |Kimi Räikkönen    | 206  | -67  |
Mark Webber       | 318  | -58  |Lewis Hamilton    | 190  | -83  |
Jenson Button     | 302  | -74  |Mark Webber       | 167  | -106 |
Felipe Massa      | 301  | -75  |Jenson Button     | 163  | -110 |
Lewis Hamilton    | 295  | -81  |Felipe Massa      | 107  | -166 |
Paul di Resta     | 271  | -105 |Romain Grosjean   |  96  | -177 |
Nico Rosberg      | 266  | -110 |Nico Rosberg      |  93  | -180 |
Nico Hülkenberg   | 254  | -122 |Sergio Pérez      |  66  | -207 |
Daniel Ricciardo  | 234  | -142 |Kamui Kobayashi   |  58  | -215 |
Bruno Senna       | 232  | -144 |Nico Hülkenberg   |  53  | -220 |
Kamui Kobayashi   | 227  | -149 |Paul di Resta     |  46  | -227 |
Sergio Pérez      | 226  | -150 |Pastor Maldonado  |  45  | -228 |
Romain Grosjean   | 209  | -167 |Michael Schumacher|  43  | -230 |
Pastor Maldonado  | 202  | -174 |Bruno Senna       |  31  | -242 |
Jean-Éric Vergne  | 187  | -189 |Jean-Éric Vergne  |  12  | -261 |
Michael Schumacher| 177  | -199 |Daniel Ricciardo  |  10  | -263 |
Heikki Kovalainen | 151  | -225 |Timo Glock        |   0  | -273 |
Vitaly Petrov     | 135  | -241 |Heikki Kovalainen |   0  | -273 |
Timo Glock        | 132  | -244 |Vitaly Petrov     |   0  | -273 |
Charles Pic       |  95  | -281 |Charles Pic       |   0  | -273 |
Pedro de la Rosa  |  80  | -296 |Narain Karthikeyan|   0  | -273 |
Narain Karthikeyan|  51  | -325 |Pedro de la Rosa  |   0  | -273 |


Code:
     Constructor    |Points| Diff |     Constructor    |Points| Diff |
Red Bull-Renault    |  690 |  0   |Red Bull-Renault    | 440  |  0   |
Ferrari             |  669 | -21  |Ferrari             | 367  | -73  |
McLaren-Mercedes    |  597 | -93  |McLaren-Mercedes    | 353  | -87  |
Lotus-Renault       |  585 | -105 |Lotus-Renault       | 302  | -138 |
Force India-Mercedes|  525 | -165 |Mercedes            | 136  | -304 |
Sauber-Ferrari      |  453 | -237 |Sauber-Ferrari      | 124  | -316 |
Mercedes            |  443 | -247 |Force India-Mercedes|  99  | -341 |
Williams-Renault    |  434 | -256 |Williams-Renault    |  76  | -364 |
Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |  421 | -269 |Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |  22  | -418 |
Caterham-Renault    |  286 | -404 |Marussia-Cosworth   |   0  | -440 |
Marussia-Cosworth   |  227 | -463 |Caterham-Renault    |   0  | -440 |
HRT-Cosworth        |  131 | -559 |HRT-Cosworth        |   0  | -440 |
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now i want Vettel to DNF this weekend even more... can we hail Kimi as the 2012 PF1 WDC?

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The final race is done, and the result is ....

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Kimi Räikkönen    | 391  |  0   |Sebastian Vettel  | 281  |  0   |
Sebastian Vettel  | 391  |  0   |Fernando Alonso   | 278  | -3   |
Fernando Alonso   | 391  |  0   |Kimi Räikkönen    | 207  | -74  |
Mark Webber       | 339  | -52  |Lewis Hamilton    | 190  | -91  |
Jenson Button     | 326  | -65  |Jenson Button     | 188  | -93  |
Felipe Massa      | 323  | -68  |Mark Webber       | 179  | -102 |
Lewis Hamilton    | 295  | -96  |Felipe Massa      | 122  | -159 |
Paul di Resta     | 277  | -114 |Romain Grosjean   |  96  | -185 |
Nico Rosberg      | 276  | -115 |Nico Rosberg      |  93  | -188 |
Nico Hülkenberg   | 274  | -117 |Sergio Pérez      |  66  | -215 |
Daniel Ricciardo  | 246  | -145 |Nico Hülkenberg   |  63  | -218 |
Kamui Kobayashi   | 243  | -148 |Kamui Kobayashi   |  60  | -221 |
Bruno Senna       | 232  | -159 |Michael Schumacher|  49  | -232 |
Sergio Pérez      | 226  | -165 |Paul di Resta     |  46  | -235 |
Romain Grosjean   | 209  | -182 |Pastor Maldonado  |  45  | -236 |
Jean-Éric Vergne  | 204  | -187 |Bruno Senna       |  31  | -250 |
Pastor Maldonado  | 202  | -189 |Jean-Éric Vergne  |  16  | -265 |
Michael Schumacher| 195  | -196 |Daniel Ricciardo  |  10  | -271 |
Heikki Kovalainen | 162  | -229 |Vitaly Petrov     |   0  | -281 |
Vitaly Petrov     | 149  | -242 |Timo Glock        |   0  | -281 |
Timo Glock        | 141  | -250 |Charles Pic       |   0  | -281 |
Charles Pic       | 108  | -283 |Heikki Kovalainen |   0  | -281 |
Pedro de la Rosa  |  88  | -303 |Narain Karthikeyan|   0  | -281 |
Narain Karthikeyan|  58  | -333 |Pedro de la Rosa  |   0  | -281 |


Code:
     Constructor    |Points| Diff |     Constructor    |Points| Diff |
Red Bull-Renault    |  730 |  0   |Red Bull-Renault    | 460  |  0   |
Ferrari             |  714 | -16  |Ferrari             | 400  | -60  |
McLaren-Mercedes    |  621 | -109 |McLaren-Mercedes    | 378  | -82  |
Lotus-Renault       |  600 | -130 |Lotus-Renault       | 303  | -157 |
Force India-Mercedes|  551 | -179 |Mercedes            | 142  | -318 |
Mercedes            |  471 | -259 |Sauber-Ferrari      | 126  | -334 |
Sauber-Ferrari      |  469 | -261 |Force India-Mercedes| 109  | -351 |
Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |  450 | -280 |Williams-Renault    |  76  | -384 |
Williams-Renault    |  434 | -296 |Toro Rosso-Ferrari  |  26  | -434 |
Caterham-Renault    |  311 | -419 |Caterham-Renault    |   0  | -460 |
Marussia-Cosworth   |  249 | -481 |Marussia-Cosworth   |   0  | -460 |
HRT-Cosworth        |  146 | -584 |HRT-Cosworth        |   0  | -460 |


... it is a TIE between Vettel, Alonso and Raikkonen... However, on countback, Vettel would still be champion (5 wins), Alonso 2nd (3 wins), Raikkonen 3rd (1 win)
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So it turns out, according to this, Massa was fairly even with Webber and Ferrari weren't far behnd Red Bull.
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Thanks for your effort DWilD. Very interesting. :)
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Very interesting, questions how consistency is measured by the current formula.

Thanks DWilD for your work
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just to note, If Raikkonen hadn't gotten lost... xD

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So Kamui has a contract for Ferrari in WEC? Kinda makes this bit a tad pointless..
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Thanks DwilD

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This is really good :thumbup: :thumbup:
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A really good system, one that gives another judgement measure of performance.
Most of the official systems have been too flawed.
I agree with those posters who want wins to count for a lot. They are so difficult to achieve. Seeing drivers cruising for points ruins races for me.
A welcome new view: increased knowledge is increased enjoyment.

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The alternate system here doesn't really encourage one way of racing to another. Kimi achieved 1 win and some solid overall performances, but not Win, Win, Win, Podium, Win, whereas Vettel and Alonso were victory and podium machines (Alonso was unbelievable at getting podiums) yet they all end up on the same points. It goes to show that the alternate system used here is good at allowing most approaches to achieve success. Well, except McLaren's "breakdown whilst in the lead" approach, there's no reality where that is rewarded.

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Such a points system goes against what i like to see, that being drivers being rewarded for race wins and podium positions, i even think the present points system errs to much towards collecting points on a consistent basis

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pokerman wrote:
Such a points system goes against what i like to see, that being drivers being rewarded for race wins and podium positions, i even think the present points system errs to much towards collecting points on a consistent basis



No points system is perfect. But even if you swap it about to the Ultimate reward for wins like Bernies Medal idea. Very rarely does it change the WDC. In fact not many points systems actually change the out come significantly.

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Johnston wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Such a points system goes against what i like to see, that being drivers being rewarded for race wins and podium positions, i even think the present points system errs to much towards collecting points on a consistent basis



No points system is perfect. But even if you swap it about to the Ultimate reward for wins like Bernies Medal idea. Very rarely does it change the WDC. In fact not many points systems actually change the out come significantly.

Out of curiousity, has someone checked what the entire championship table would've looked like with the medal system?

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