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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:56 pm 
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peachbuns wrote:
Will be sure to send in my predictions for Bahrain soon :)

Question: If all drivers in the top 10 finish in their WDC order, what happens to Q6?

Hehe I'm not sure if that has ever happened in the history of F1. But say it did now, all point scorers (1-10) would be correct then for question 6. Even if the term overachiever is a bit of a misnomer then. And in this theoretical situation, for question 7 (underperformer) all finishing drivers would be correct answers.

One situation that is much more likely to happen, and perhaps needs clearing up, is what happens to 5: quali victim, if a driver has not set a time in qualifying. E.g. Hamilton and Maldonado in Hungary 2014. Both did not set a lap time, Ham was classified 21th and Mal 22th in the official qualifying result. It's this official classification that counts.
*EDIT: made a new edit to the OP to add this clarification.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:13 am 
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Bahrain
1. Pole: Lewis Hamilton
2. Race winner: Lewis Hamilton
3. Fastest lap: Raikonnen
4. Quali surprise: Kvyatt
5. Quali victim: grosjean
6. Overachiever race: Kvyatt
7. Underperformer race: grosjean
8. First Lap hero: bottas
9. First lap zero: Hulkenberg
10. First man out: palmer
11. Safety cars: 1
12. Race leaders: 3
13. Classified: 17

Edited to sub alonso
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Herb and Mayhem, you may want to revise your choices, as Alonso is not racing in Bahrain!

And perhaps the expected debut of Vandoorne will give others new ideas too.

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Presumably Vandoorne is ineligible for questions 4 through to 7?

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Jenson's Understeer wrote:
Presumably Vandoorne is ineligible for questions 4 through to 7?

He is not classified in the WDC ranking, so just like Raikkonen, Ericsson, Gutierrez, Haryanto and Kvyat, he is virtually placed in 17th to determine his score on questions 4 through to 7.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:35 pm 
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Herb wrote:
Bahrain
1. Pole: Hamilton
2. Race winner: Hamilton
3. Fastest lap: Räikkönen
4. Quali surprise: Räikkönen
5. Quali victim: Grosjean
6. Overachiever: Räikkönen
7. Underperformer: Grosjean
8. First Lap hero: Verstappen
9. First lap zero: Massa
10. First man out: Button
11. Safety cars: 1
12. Race leaders: 3
13. Classified: 18



Updates in bold - cheers!

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Bahrain
1. Pole: Hamilton
2. Race winner: Hamilton
3. Fastest lap: Hamilton
4. Quali surprise: Raikkonen
5. Quali victim: Grosjean
6. Overachiever race: Raikkonen
7. Underperformer race: Grosjean
8. First Lap hero: Verstappen
9. First lap zero: Ricciardo
10. First man out: Hariyanto
11. Safety cars: 2
12. Race leaders: 3
13. Classified: 15


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1. Pole: Hamilton
2. Race winner: Hamilton
3. Fastest lap: Vettel
4. Quali surprise: Raikkonen
5. Quali victim: Grosjean
6. Overachiever race: Raikkonen
7. Underperformer race: Ricciardo
8. First Lap hero: Vandoorne
9. First lap zero: Bottas
10. First man out: Nasr
11. Safety cars: 0
12. Race leaders: 2
13. Classified: 18

Edited to change first man out to Nasr - Saturday 01:25 (am)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:41 am 
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All right, going to get this in now since I may well not have time tomorrow...

Bahrain Grand Prix
1. Pole: Lewis Hamilton
2. Race winner: Lewis Hamilton
3. Fastest lap: Kimi Räikkönen
4. Quali surprise: Kimi Räikkönen
5. Quali victim: Romain Grosjean
6. Overachiever race: Kimi Räikkönen
7. Underperformer race: Felippe Massa
8. First Lap hero: Pascal Wehrlein
9. First lap zero: Esteban Gutierrez
10. First man out: Rio Haryanto
11. Safety cars: 1
12. Race leaders: 4
13. Classified: 17

Hopefully FP2 wouldn't've changed my guesses too much!

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Can I ask, what happens with Magnussen now, for the qualy questions, does he count as his qualifying position or 22 as he starts from the pit lane?

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Herb wrote:
Can I ask, what happens with Magnussen now, for the qualy questions, does he count as his qualifying position or 22 as he starts from the pit lane?

Magnussen's penalty affects his race start position, not his quali result. As the rules state, official qualifying results will be used for questions 4 and 5.

Of course, there is now a good chance he will change his approach to qualifying, knowing he has to start from the pitlane anyway.

For questions 8 and 9 though, his starting position is relevant, which will now (most likely) be 22.

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I've edited my pick for first man out, just letting you know in case you didn't pick it up on the original post.


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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
I've edited my pick for first man out, just letting you know in case you didn't pick it up on the original post.

Good thing you made a new post to alert me.

I don't like changing my picks, but in this case it would be foolish not to swap Renault teammates for quali victim.
Tempted now to change pole, win and first man out too, but I'll resist.

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Bahrain

1. Pole: Hamilton
2. Race winner: Hamilton
3. Fastest lap: Vettel
4. Quali surprise: Räikkönen
5. Quali victim: Magnussen (was Palmer)
6. Overachiever: Räikkönen
7. Underperformer: Grosjean
8. First Lap hero: Wehrlein
9. First lap zero: Perez
10. First man out: Gutierrez
11. Safety cars: 0
12. Race leaders: 3
13. Classified: 18

This brings me to a question I want to put to you all: do you think the deadline rule is fine as it is now, or would you prefer to have the start of Free Practice 1 as the cut off (starting from the GP China)?
To avoid participation going down because of this, we could use a similar penalty rule as the Pick 10 competition has:
-3 points if submitted after the start of FP3;
-2 points if submitted after the start of FP2;
-1 points if submitted after the start of FP1.

What do you think?

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Well personally I'm not a fan of changing my picks either, the only reason I did this week is that I thought the predictions had to be in before FP1 like the pick 10 competition.

If the deadline remains the same I will likely wait until after P1&2 in future so it shouldn't be an issue again.

Either way is fine with me though


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No . I think the deadline is good enough as it is now.. It's already hard to score many points in this.Adding a FP1 cut-off(or penalising the later picks) will be bad. Atleast we can take a good guess after seeing 3 practices.

Just 2 cents on the matter , though. :) :)

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Bahrain GP 2016

1. Pole: Rosberg
2. Race winner: Rosberg
3. Fastest lap: Hamilton
4. Quali surprise: Kimi
5. Quali victim: Romain Grosjean
6. Overachiever: Kimi
7. Underperformer: Romain Grosjean
8. First Lap hero: Pascal Wehrlein
9. First lap zero: Ricciardo
10. First man out: Esteban Gutierrez
11. Safety cars: 0
12. Race leaders: 3
13. Classified: 19

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TypingChicane wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
I've edited my pick for first man out, just letting you know in case you didn't pick it up on the original post.

Good thing you made a new post to alert me.

I don't like changing my picks, but in this case it would be foolish not to swap Renault teammates for quali victim.
Tempted now to change pole, win and first man out too, but I'll resist.

TypingChicane wrote:
Bahrain

1. Pole: Hamilton
2. Race winner: Hamilton
3. Fastest lap: Vettel
4. Quali surprise: Räikkönen
5. Quali victim: Magnussen (was Palmer)
6. Overachiever: Räikkönen
7. Underperformer: Grosjean
8. First Lap hero: Wehrlein
9. First lap zero: Perez
10. First man out: Gutierrez
11. Safety cars: 0
12. Race leaders: 3
13. Classified: 18

This brings me to a question I want to put to you all: do you think the deadline rule is fine as it is now, or would you prefer to have the start of Free Practice 1 as the cut off (starting from the GP China)?
To avoid participation going down because of this, we could use a similar penalty rule as the Pick 10 competition has:
-3 points if submitted after the start of FP3;
-2 points if submitted after the start of FP2;
-1 points if submitted after the start of FP1.

What do you think?


First and most important rule:DO NOT CHANGE YOUR PICKS!

You were the only one to pick Palmer as the Qualy victim and you changed it...

Also about the time of submission i don't really care since i will probably post them before FP1...

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Fountoukos13 wrote:
First and most important rule:DO NOT CHANGE YOUR PICKS!

Thanks for your sympathy. x( That would have been the maximum three points for me.
Of course, it could be worse. I could have changed pole (and win) to Rosberg after seeing Free Practice. :-P

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Bahrain result

The obvious
Eight out of nine players predicted correctly:
- Hamilton getting pole,
- Raikkonen being the best qualifier compared to his WDC ranking,
- Raikkonen being the highest point scorer compared to his WDC ranking.

The unpredictables
Who would have thought that:
- Rosberg would drive the fastest lap,
- Palmer would be the biggest quali victim (ahem),
- Hulkenburg would be the underperformer of the race, and
- Perez the first lap hero?*
(No one apparently.)

Standout prediction of the weekend
Mayhem paid for a risky chance on two of the three what we now know as obvious results (see above), but big kudos for being the only one to foresee Hulkenburg as the first lap zero!**

* Perez went from 18th on the grid to 12th after the first lap.
** Hulkenburg went from 8th on the grid to 16th after the first lap.


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It seems that Jenson's Understeer and Fountoukos13 have crafted a gap to the rest of us!
Not so easy, this predicting business!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:48 pm 
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TypingChicane wrote:
Bahrain result

The obvious
Eight out of nine players predicted correctly:
- Hamilton getting pole,
- Raikkonen being the best qualifier compared to his WDC ranking,
- Raikkonen being the highest point scorer compared to his WDC ranking.

The unpredictables
Who would have thought that:
- Rosberg would drive the fastest lap,
- Palmer would be the biggest quali victim (ahem),
- Hulkenburg would be the underperformer of the race, and
- Perez the first lap hero?*
(No one apparently.)

Standout prediction of the weekend
Mayhem paid for a risky chance on two of the three what we now know as obvious results (see above), but big kudos for being the only one to foresee Hulkenburg as the first lap zero!**

* Perez went from 18th on the grid to 12th after the first lap.
** Hulkenburg went from 8th on the grid to 16th after the first lap.


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It seems that Jenson's Understeer and Fountoukos13 have crafted a gap to the rest of us!
Not so easy, this predicting business!


Yeah!! Thankfully there is no question about the podium finishes because i have zero points on the top3 competition. I think next week will be even lower scoring since there won't be probably an obvious answer like Raikkonen was this week.

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Just an early heads-up for the China GP in two weeks time: the only drivers that are not yet classified in the WDC are Alonso and Gutierrez. For questions 4-7 both will be considered ranked #22.

Also, to the participants that haven't seen and/or answered this previous question:
TypingChicane wrote:
do you think the deadline rule is fine as it is now, or would you prefer to have the start of Free Practice 1 as the cut off (starting from the GP China)?
To avoid participation going down because of this, we could use a similar penalty rule as the Pick 10 competition has:
-3 points if submitted after the start of FP3;
-2 points if submitted after the start of FP2;
-1 points if submitted after the start of FP1.

What do you think?

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I'm neutral on the deadline change idea, really. I think having qualifying as the deadline is fair enough, but I don't have any problem with FP1 (or FP2) as the deadline either. It's certainly more up to guesswork/hunches and remembering previous performance if free practice can't be taken into account, but there's still plenty left to guess before quali starts as well. I wouldn't guess there are going to be very many people making their guesses between FP3 and quali, so it might make sense to change it on that basis.

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I reckon leave it as it is.

It seems hard enough as it is without adding further complexity.

I'll still probably choose before practice anyway, cos I like to do it when say at my desk.

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As someone who usually aims to get his predictions in before FP1 begins anyway, I'd be okay with some kind of penalty system being introduced.

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My question about the deadline for submitting the predictions, was rooted in the realization that often grid penalties become clear on Fridays or Saturday mornings.

But from your answers, I gather that no one really has a problem with how it is right now. So instead of doing a Bernie, I say we keep it as it is: the deadline remains at the start of qualifying.

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1. Nico Rosberg
2. Nico Rosberg
3. Lewis Hamilton
4. If he races, Fernando Alonso. If not, Sergio Perez.
5. Romain Grosjean
6. Sergio Perez
7. Romain Grosjean
8. Lewis Hamilton
9. Kimi Raikkonen
10. Ryo Haryanto
11. 0
12. 4
13. 18

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Gonna pop these in now just in case, might change my answers before the deadline though!

1. Pole: Rosberg
2. Race winner: Hamilton
3. Fastest lap: Ricciardo
4. Quali surprise: Alonso
5. Quali victim: Grosjean
6. Overachiever: Button
7. Underperformer: Grosjean
8. First Lap hero: Alonso
9. First lap zero: Perez
10. First man out: Kvyat
11. Safety cars: 1
12. Race leaders: 3
13. Classified: 18

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1. Pole: Rosberg
2. Race winner: Rosberg
3. Fastest lap: Hamilton
4. Quali surprise: Alonso
5. Quali victim: Grosjean
6. Overachiever: Bottas
7. Underperformer: Grosjean
8. First Lap hero: Hamilton
9. First lap zero: Kvyat
10. First man out: Alonso
11. Safety cars: 1
12. Race leaders: 2
13. Classified: 17


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China
1. Pole: rosberg
2. Race winner: Vettel
3. Fastest lap: Lewis hamilton
4. Quali surprise: Alonso
5. Quali victim: grosjean
6. Overachiever race: Alonso
7. Underperformer race: kvyatt
8. First Lap hero: lewis hamilton
9. First lap zero: Massa
10. First man out: magnussen
11. Safety cars: 1
12. Race leaders: 2
13. Classified: 18

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1. Pole: Rosberg
2. Race Winner: Rosberg
3. Fastest Lap: Kimi Raikkonen
4. Quali Surprise: Gutierrez
5. Quali Victim: Grosjean
6. Overachiever race: Gutierrez
7. Underperformer race: Massa
8. First Lap Hero: Grosjean
9. First Lap Zero: Massa
10. First Man Out: Ericsson
11. Safety Cars: 0
12. Race Leaders: 3
13. Classified: 17

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Chinese Grand Prix
1. Pole: Sebastian Vettel
2. Race winner: Nico Rosberg
3. Fastest lap: Kimi Raikkonen
4. Quali surprise: Sergio Perez
5. Quali victim: Felipe Massa
6. Overachiever race: Fernando Alonso
7. Underperformer race: Felipe Massa
8. First Lap hero: Lewis Hamilton
9. First lap zero: Felipe Nasr
10. First man out: Esteban Gutierrez
11. Safety cars: 2
12. Race leaders: 3
13. Classified: 18

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1. Pole: Hamilton
2. Race Winner: Vettel
3. Fastest Lap: Hamilton
4. Quali Surprise: Alonso
5. Quali Victim: Grosjean
6. Overachiever race: Vettel
7. Underperformer race: Grosjean
8. First Lap Hero: Wehrlein
9. First Lap Zero: Ricciardo
10. First Man Out: Nasr
11. Safety Cars: 0
12. Race Leaders: 3
13. Classified: 16

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:55 am 
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Fountoukos13 wrote:
China

1. Pole: Rosberg
2. Race Winner: Rosberg
3. Fastest Lap: Lewis Raikkonen
4. Quali Surprise: Gutierrez
5. Quali Victim: Grosjean
6. Overachiever race: Gutierrez
7. Underperformer race: Massa
8. First Lap Hero: Grosjean
9. First Lap Zero: Massa
10. First Man Out: Ericsson
11. Safety Cars: 0
12. Race Leaders: 3
13. Classified: 17

If this is a ploy to bet on two drivers for fastest lap, it won't work. :-P
I'm going to assume you mean Kimi here and not Lewis. If that's not what you meant to do, there is still time to change it.

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If Lewis is P1 after qualy , does it count that he is the pole winner(answer for question 1) ? Or the driver that starts from P1 on race day is considered as answer to Question 1?

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Icemanjee1 wrote:
If Lewis is P1 after qualy , does it count that he is the pole winner(answer for question 1) ? Or the driver that starts from P1 on race day is considered as answer to Question 1?


I assumed that, as with questions 4 and 5, it would be the outcome prior to any penalties being applied, but it would be good if TypingChicane could clarify it one way or the other.

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Jenson's Understeer wrote:
Icemanjee1 wrote:
If Lewis is P1 after qualy , does it count that he is the pole winner(answer for question 1) ? Or the driver that starts from P1 on race day is considered as answer to Question 1?


I assumed that, as with questions 4 and 5, it would be the outcome prior to any penalties being applied, but it would be good if TypingChicane could clarify it one way or the other.

Yes, it's the qualifying result that counts for pole (and also for quali surprise and victim). Before penalties. So Hamilton can 'win pole' even if he is not allowed to start there on Sunday.

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Chinese GP 2016:

1. Pole: Lewis Hamilton
2. Race Winner: Nico Rosberg
3. Fastest Lap: Sebastian Vettel
4. Quali Surprise: Fernando Alonso
5. Quali Victim: Romain Grosjean
6. Overachiever race: Valtteri Bottas
7. Underperformer race: Carlos Sainz Jnr
8. First Lap Hero: Felipe Massa
9. First Lap Zero: Daniil Kvyat
10. First Man Out: Esteban Gutierrez
11. Safety Cars: 0
12. Race Leaders: 2
13. Classified: 18

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TypingChicane wrote:
Fountoukos13 wrote:
China

1. Pole: Rosberg
2. Race Winner: Rosberg
3. Fastest Lap: Lewis Raikkonen
4. Quali Surprise: Gutierrez
5. Quali Victim: Grosjean
6. Overachiever race: Gutierrez
7. Underperformer race: Massa
8. First Lap Hero: Grosjean
9. First Lap Zero: Massa
10. First Man Out: Ericsson
11. Safety Cars: 0
12. Race Leaders: 3
13. Classified: 17

If this is a ploy to bet on two drivers for fastest lap, it won't work. :-P
I'm going to assume you mean Kimi here and not Lewis. If that's not what you meant to do, there is still time to change it.


Yeap it's kimi. I just copied someone else's post and changed the picks, thus resulting to lewis raikkonen...

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12 Hours to go before the start of qualifying = deadline.
Of course, new players are still welcome too! :idea:

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China
1. Pole: Hamilton
2. Race winner: Vettel
3. Fastest lap: Hamilton
4. Quali surprise: Alonso
5. Quali victim: Grosjean
6. Overachiever race: Alonso
7. Underperformer race: Massa
8. First Lap hero: Verstappen
9. First lap zero: Kvyat
10. First man out: Ericsson
11. Safety cars: 1
12. Race leaders: 2
13. Classified: 17

Overachiever is pretty straight forward with the McLarens being so far back in the championship, the unerperformers are a bit harder to predict this time though.

Don't know why but I just get the feeling Mercedes won't do it this weekend with Hamiltons grid drop and rain affected qualifying. Looking forward to it :]


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