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I'll be happy with 3 figures after that, could be a painful one.

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141... Might be decent after seeing some of the scores posted already


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Jenson's Understeer wrote:
I feel like this will backfire, but I'm going to take a tactical penalty and change my prediction to:

1. Verstappen
2. Ricciardo
3. Vettel
4. Hamilton
5. Raikkonen
6. Bottas
7. Sainz
8. Hulkenberg
9. Perez
10. Ocon


This was not a good decision.

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Jenson's Understeer wrote:
Jenson's Understeer wrote:
I feel like this will backfire, but I'm going to take a tactical penalty and change my prediction to:

1. Verstappen
2. Ricciardo
3. Vettel
4. Hamilton
5. Raikkonen
6. Bottas
7. Sainz
8. Hulkenberg
9. Perez
10. Ocon


This was not a good decision.

Yes a loss of 30 points.

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Not gonna lie, I'm pretty annoyed about the DNFs for this race. :x

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Top 10 Prediction

1. Max Verstappen 25
2. Daniel Ricciardo N/A
3. Lewis Hamilton 18
4. Sebastian Vettel 15
5. Kimi Raikkonen 15
6. Valtteri Bottas 18
7. Nico Hulkenberg 18
8. Carlos Sainz, Jr. N/A
9. Sergio Perez N/A
10. Charles Leclerc 12

121 points. Could have been so much more, with 3 retirements dropping out of pretty much the positions I had them in. I estimate that with Ricciardo holding onto 2nd and Sainz and Perez both finishing somewhere ahead of Leclerc, I could be looking at about 212 points. x(

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141... Might be decent after seeing some of the scores posted already

We have a winner (I think)!

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Round 19: Mexico City, Mexico

The start of the race saw pole man Ricciardo passed by fellow front row starter Verstappen and Hamilton with Verstappen managing to hold off Hamilton into the first corner followed by Ricciardo and Vettel.

It wasn't long into the stint before the Mercedes started to struggle with the front tyres graining and both Hamilton and Bottas pitted for the hardest super soft tyres, this triggered the Red Bull drivers Verstappen and Ricciardo to also pit onto the same tyres whilst the Ferrari drivers Vettel and Raikkonen stayed out a bit longer.

This put Vettel into the lead from Verstappen and Raikkonen with both Hamilton and then Ricciardo then needing to pass Raikkonen which after a few laps they did then both Ferrari drivers also pitted for the super soft tyres.

Even with the hardest tyres on it didn't take the Mercedes drivers long to once again struggle with front tyre graining and was passed by both Vettel and Ricciardo, Vettel having passed Ricciardo earlier after he got held up in traffic. Hamilton locked up badly and went off the track when Ricciardo passed him which signalled anothe change of tyres for Hamilton. Bottas did exactly the same a lap later allowing Raikkonen past for 5th place and he also immediately came in for another tyre change.

The running order was now Verstappen leading from Vettel who was charging hard behind him, then Ricciardo, Raikkonen, Hamilton and Bottas. Vettel pitted for more tyres and Verstappen immediately pitted in response coming back out still in the lead but Vettel was now behind Ricciardo.

Despite Vettel's fresh tyres Ricciardo had little trouble in keeping Vettel behind him but Ricciardo then had to pull off the track with a hydraulic problem and the race finished with Verstappen winning from Vettel, Raikkonen, Hamilton and Bottas.

In third place with 141 points and receiving the "Reliant Raikkonen Trophy"
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In second place with 144 points and receiving the "Valiant Vettel Trophy"
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In first place with 146 points and receiving the "Victorious Verstappen Trophy"
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1. purchville 146 :thumbup:
2. F1_Ernie 144
3. JN23 141
4. Bentrovato 138
5. Black_Flag_11 128
6. Exediron 121
7. Remmirath 120
8. jzusy 119
9. Mayhem 116
10. Laz_T800 115
11. robins13 112
12. KCGP28 111
12. OnAGivenDay 111
14. MistaVega23 109
15. pokerman 107
15. Tufty 107
17. Icemanjee1 106
17. Dom1511 106
17. Pisco Sour 106
20. UnlikeUday 104
21. cm97 119 (FP2 Penalty -18) 101
21. Lotus49 101
21. TheDamus 119 (FP2 Penalty -18) 101
24. Flash2k11 100
25. Jenson's Understeer 116 (FP2 Penalty -18) 98
26. tim3003 95
26. SteveW 95
28. P-F1 Mod 93
29. Herb 91
30. Covalent 90
31. paul85 84
32. Mod Titanium 81
33. specdecible 78 (FP2 Penalty -18) 60

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PF1 PICK 10 COMPETITION 2018 - LEADERBOARD GOING INTO BRAZIL

1. Remmirath 2317 :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
2. Flash2k11 (R) 2313 :thumbup: :thumbup:
3. pokerman 2305 :thumbup:
4. cm97 2287
5. paul85 2282
6. Bentrovato 2281
7. Covalent 2278
8. F1_Ernie 2275
9. Mod Titanium (R) 2273
10. Laz_T800 2270

11. P-F1 Mod 2261
12. Icemanjee1 2260
13. Mayhem 2251
14. tim3003 2245
15. Black_Flag_11 2242
16. Jenson's Understeer 2240
17. jzusy 2210
18. Herb 2206
19. Exediron 2203
20. Lotus49 2198

21. MistaVega23 2195
22. purchville 2191
23. UnlikeUday 2177
24. KCGP28 (R) 2149
25. OnAGivenDay (R) 2147
26. JN23 (R) 2124
27. SteveW 2121
28. robins13 2098
29. Tufty 2072
30. Migen 2065
31. Dom1511 (R) 2060
32. Pisco Sour 2005
33. TheDamus 1989
34. specdecible 1982
35. Kleefton 1295
36. TypingChicane 1287
37. Blackhander 1065
38. Marck 971
39. IXIAN 934
40. Invade 823
41. Warheart01 640
42. Colesy917 574
43. whitewolfartic 409
44. sandman1347 190
45. McPrancingBull 133
46. KingVoid 114
47. Olly-44 114
48. otisp 107

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Got into the top 20! And a virtual top 4 if you credit me the points I cost myself through experimenting with intentional penalties... x(

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:03 am 
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Got into the top 20! And a virtual top 4 if you credit me the points I cost myself through experimenting with intentional penalties... x(


Jenson and I both shot ourselves in the foot by trying that trick this weekend. Has anyone ever successfully made the strategy work?

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cm97 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Got into the top 20! And a virtual top 4 if you credit me the points I cost myself through experimenting with intentional penalties... x(

Jenson and I both shot ourselves in the foot by trying that trick this weekend. Has anyone ever successfully made the strategy work?

I think unless your initial picks are just badly, fundamentally wrong, the basic randomness of most finishes will make it a bad strategy. What I found when I was trying it is that in most races DNFs, botched pitstops, etc. will mean that even if you correctly pick the 10 cars that should finish in the points, you're almost certainly going to miss some anyway. In this race for example there really wasn't any change I could have made to improve my picks, even with all the data - unless I knew that Ricciardo, Sainz and Perez were going to DNF, I would always lose points to someone who had the competitive order less correct. That's just the nature of the game.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:00 am 
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Exediron wrote:
cm97 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Got into the top 20! And a virtual top 4 if you credit me the points I cost myself through experimenting with intentional penalties... x(

Jenson and I both shot ourselves in the foot by trying that trick this weekend. Has anyone ever successfully made the strategy work?

I think unless your initial picks are just badly, fundamentally wrong, the basic randomness of most finishes will make it a bad strategy. What I found when I was trying it is that in most races DNFs, botched pitstops, etc. will mean that even if you correctly pick the 10 cars that should finish in the points, you're almost certainly going to miss some anyway. In this race for example there really wasn't any change I could have made to improve my picks, even with all the data - unless I knew that Ricciardo, Sainz and Perez were going to DNF, I would always lose points to someone who had the competitive order less correct. That's just the nature of the game.


That very strategy got me a podium in Monaco last year, but the two times I've tried it since, it has resulted in a loss of points. But you need two things to go your way if you do it. Firstly, as Exediron says, your initial picks have to be miles off. Secondly, you have to be lucky.

At the start of the race I was actually quite confident: outside the obvious top six choices, Renault looked to be 'best of the rest' and Force India's quali strategy should've put them into a good position to take the remaining two places. Of course, it took all of twenty seconds before Ocon picked up damage, but even then until the point Sainz retired, my top nine featured all the drivers in the top nine. But then Sainz retired, followed by Perez and Ricciardo, and it just becomes a bad prediction regardless of whether it was made before FP1 or a little later in the weekend!

It's definitely a strategy that can work, and given my position in the championship (i.e. nowhere) it was worth losing 18 points for the potential of a much better result.

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Russia really ruined my season finishing bottom of the pile and 90 points from the winner. Managed two podiums since then and might just have an outside shot of finishing in the top 3.

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4 retirees in the race. All 4 in my top 10. Can anyone else say that?

I may start a new game, where you have to pick those who don't finish, get penalties or are disqualified. I should win by a mile!


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Exediron wrote:
Got into the top 20! And a virtual top 4 if you credit me the points I cost myself through experimenting with intentional penalties... x(

I make it 5th on 2285 8O

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Jenson's Understeer wrote:
Exediron wrote:
cm97 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Got into the top 20! And a virtual top 4 if you credit me the points I cost myself through experimenting with intentional penalties... x(

Jenson and I both shot ourselves in the foot by trying that trick this weekend. Has anyone ever successfully made the strategy work?

I think unless your initial picks are just badly, fundamentally wrong, the basic randomness of most finishes will make it a bad strategy. What I found when I was trying it is that in most races DNFs, botched pitstops, etc. will mean that even if you correctly pick the 10 cars that should finish in the points, you're almost certainly going to miss some anyway. In this race for example there really wasn't any change I could have made to improve my picks, even with all the data - unless I knew that Ricciardo, Sainz and Perez were going to DNF, I would always lose points to someone who had the competitive order less correct. That's just the nature of the game.


That very strategy got me a podium in Monaco last year, but the two times I've tried it since, it has resulted in a loss of points. But you need two things to go your way if you do it. Firstly, as Exediron says, your initial picks have to be miles off. Secondly, you have to be lucky.

At the start of the race I was actually quite confident: outside the obvious top six choices, Renault looked to be 'best of the rest' and Force India's quali strategy should've put them into a good position to take the remaining two places. Of course, it took all of twenty seconds before Ocon picked up damage, but even then until the point Sainz retired, my top nine featured all the drivers in the top nine. But then Sainz retired, followed by Perez and Ricciardo, and it just becomes a bad prediction regardless of whether it was made before FP1 or a little later in the weekend!

It's definitely a strategy that can work, and given my position in the championship (i.e. nowhere) it was worth losing 18 points for the potential of a much better result.

Regarding tactical penalties it's something I want to discuss for next season, the spirit of the game is to make predictions before any of the cars take to the circuit, the skill if you like is in that and not watching the cars on the track and seeing which ones are faster.

The penalty system as I see it is for people who forget to submit entries on time and I would say the penalties as such are not that harsh, in some competitions if you are late you are out simple as that.

Because the penalties are not that harsh this does give a lot of scope for people to change their predictions if they are really bad, that's not really good and something I don't really like, that's not really the game.

If you look at the penalty system it's 15 points for after FP1, an extra 3 points for after FP2, and then another extra 7 points for after FP3, it doesn't reflect the extra knowledge gained the more practice sessions you watch.

I believe this has been suggested by some others and I'm proposing a new penalty system that truly reflects the advantage being taken by tactical late entries, this being:-

FP1 - 15 points
FP2 - 18 points + 15 points = 33 points
FP3 - 25 points + 18 points + 15 points = 58 points.

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If you look at the penalty system it's 15 points for after FP1, an extra 3 points for after FP2, and then another extra 7 points for after FP3, it doesn't reflect the extra knowledge gained the more practice sessions you watch.

I believe this has been suggested by some others and I'm proposing a new penalty system that truly reflects the advantage being taken by tactical late entries, this being:-

FP1 - 15 points
FP2 - 18 points + 15 points = 33 points
FP3 - 25 points + 18 points + 15 points = 58 points.


58 seems far too high to me:
FP1 - 15;
FP2 - 25;
FP3 - 35. It doesnt have to be restricted to multiples of 25,18,15 etc!


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4 retirees in the race. All 4 in my top 10. Can anyone else say that?

I may start a new game, where you have to pick those who don't finish, get penalties or are disqualified. I should win by a mile!

I can!

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Covalent wrote:
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4 retirees in the race. All 4 in my top 10. Can anyone else say that?

I may start a new game, where you have to pick those who don't finish, get penalties or are disqualified. I should win by a mile!

I can!

Not me, I didn't have Alonso. But I'm not sure he would have finished top 10 with RIC, PER and SAI finishing.

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pokerman wrote:
If you look at the penalty system it's 15 points for after FP1, an extra 3 points for after FP2, and then another extra 7 points for after FP3, it doesn't reflect the extra knowledge gained the more practice sessions you watch.

I believe this has been suggested by some others and I'm proposing a new penalty system that truly reflects the advantage being taken by tactical late entries, this being:-

FP1 - 15 points
FP2 - 18 points + 15 points = 33 points
FP3 - 25 points + 18 points + 15 points = 58 points.


58 seems far too high to me:
FP1 - 15;
FP2 - 25;
FP3 - 35. It doesnt have to be restricted to multiples of 25,18,15 etc!

Thanks for the reply, I see your point about the points not being ramped up like that to resemble the current points system, that just nicely suited the present system.

Likewise though I don't really see why the penalty points should be ramped down, 15 points for missing FP1 then basically just 3 points for missing FP2. 15 points I see as perfectly acceptable for missing FP1 but that should also be consistent for missing FP2 and FP3.

Tactical late entries is something I've been monitoring and with the current penalty point system at times there are definite advantages to doing it, in Mexico I think it was just bad luck that saw it not pay off and it was only a few rounds ago that 4 of the top 6 entries were late entries which I found a bit disconcerting.

There was a discussion about 11 months ago with some concerned that the penalty point system was too soft and I kind of thought there might have been some comment about the late entries dominating that one round.

I'm hoping for more feed back but experience tells me I will decide to change it then I will get loads of feed back. :)

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There was a discussion about 11 months ago with some concerned that the penalty point system was too soft and I kind of thought there might have been some comment about the late entries dominating that one round.

I'm hoping for more feed back but experience tells me I will decide to change it then I will get loads of feed back. :)

I thought the penalties were too soft to dissuade people from trying it, but it turns out the actual dissuasion is that you usually tank your score by doing it! :lol:

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pokerman wrote:
tim3003 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
If you look at the penalty system it's 15 points for after FP1, an extra 3 points for after FP2, and then another extra 7 points for after FP3, it doesn't reflect the extra knowledge gained the more practice sessions you watch.

I believe this has been suggested by some others and I'm proposing a new penalty system that truly reflects the advantage being taken by tactical late entries, this being:-

FP1 - 15 points
FP2 - 18 points + 15 points = 33 points
FP3 - 25 points + 18 points + 15 points = 58 points.


58 seems far too high to me:
FP1 - 15;
FP2 - 25;
FP3 - 35. It doesnt have to be restricted to multiples of 25,18,15 etc!

Thanks for the reply, I see your point about the points not being ramped up like that to resemble the current points system, that just nicely suited the present system.

Likewise though I don't really see why the penalty points should be ramped down, 15 points for missing FP1 then basically just 3 points for missing FP2. 15 points I see as perfectly acceptable for missing FP1 but that should also be consistent for missing FP2 and FP3.

Tactical late entries is something I've been monitoring and with the current penalty point system at times there are definite advantages to doing it, in Mexico I think it was just bad luck that saw it not pay off and it was only a few rounds ago that 4 of the top 6 entries were late entries which I found a bit disconcerting.

There was a discussion about 11 months ago with some concerned that the penalty point system was too soft and I kind of thought there might have been some comment about the late entries dominating that one round.

I'm hoping for more feed back but experience tells me I will decide to change it then I will get loads of feed back. :)


Do you have numbers on that? How often do those taking a penalty appear in the top 10?

The feeling I've been getting is that those taking penalties do no better than if they hadn't, and may end up being worse off.

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Herb wrote:
pokerman wrote:
tim3003 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
If you look at the penalty system it's 15 points for after FP1, an extra 3 points for after FP2, and then another extra 7 points for after FP3, it doesn't reflect the extra knowledge gained the more practice sessions you watch.

I believe this has been suggested by some others and I'm proposing a new penalty system that truly reflects the advantage being taken by tactical late entries, this being:-

FP1 - 15 points
FP2 - 18 points + 15 points = 33 points
FP3 - 25 points + 18 points + 15 points = 58 points.


58 seems far too high to me:
FP1 - 15;
FP2 - 25;
FP3 - 35. It doesnt have to be restricted to multiples of 25,18,15 etc!

Thanks for the reply, I see your point about the points not being ramped up like that to resemble the current points system, that just nicely suited the present system.

Likewise though I don't really see why the penalty points should be ramped down, 15 points for missing FP1 then basically just 3 points for missing FP2. 15 points I see as perfectly acceptable for missing FP1 but that should also be consistent for missing FP2 and FP3.

Tactical late entries is something I've been monitoring and with the current penalty point system at times there are definite advantages to doing it, in Mexico I think it was just bad luck that saw it not pay off and it was only a few rounds ago that 4 of the top 6 entries were late entries which I found a bit disconcerting.

There was a discussion about 11 months ago with some concerned that the penalty point system was too soft and I kind of thought there might have been some comment about the late entries dominating that one round.

I'm hoping for more feed back but experience tells me I will decide to change it then I will get loads of feed back. :)


Do you have numbers on that? How often do those taking a penalty appear in the top 10?

The feeling I've been getting is that those taking penalties do no better than if they hadn't, and may end up being worse off.


Yeah, I'd like to know how many times people have taken tactical penalties (not just those with late entries) and what the average gain/loss has been. As from my perspective I've done it three times and lost points twice, and would honestly expect to lose points if I did it again.

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Fair enough I personally think now that the penalties are a bit soft for what can be gained in certain situations like when the original picks are really bad as witnessed by practice times.

However if the general consensus is too leave things as they are then I can only go along with that.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:41 pm 
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Fair enough I personally think now that the penalties are a bit soft for what can be gained in certain situations like when the original picks are really bad as witnessed by practice times.

However if the general consensus is too leave things as they are then I can only go along with that.


I agree with you. It's right on the border for me. Could go slightly stiffer on the penalties but happy to leave it as is.


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pokerman wrote:
Fair enough I personally think now that the penalties are a bit soft for what can be gained in certain situations like when the original picks are really bad as witnessed by practice times.

However if the general consensus is too leave things as they are then I can only go along with that.

I agree with you. It's right on the border for me. Could go slightly stiffer on the penalties but happy to leave it as is.

I think the important thing is that there's no repeatability of getting a good score by doing it. I'm okay with someone being able to save themselves from getting a 60 score by taking a penalty and getting a 100 instead; in this competition a single really horrible score can doom you, so I don't mind someone being able to bail out of it. So far as I'm aware, Jenson's win in Monaco was the only time someone has actually won a round with a strategic penalty, and there was a fair dose of pure luck involved in that.

On the other hand, if this competition is expressly intended as predictive only with no benefit of information, you could always bar any entry made after FP1 starts. I know people leave it really late now, but I have to believe they'd do less of that if they knew it was impossible to file a late entry.

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pokerman wrote:
Fair enough I personally think now that the penalties are a bit soft for what can be gained in certain situations like when the original picks are really bad as witnessed by practice times.

However if the general consensus is too leave things as they are then I can only go along with that.


I think you need to decide what the penalties are for. Earlier you seemed to say that they were for late entries, and that tactical changes to existing entries arent in the spirit of the game. If this is so then just ban any changes to existing entries. So after FP1 starts only new entries are allowed.

If it's more about finding a suitable level for the penalties to punish tactical changes whilst still allowing them then we can bandy figures around forever. Maybe in the end you'll need to take an executive decision! :)


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4 retirees in the race. All 4 in my top 10. Can anyone else say that?

I may start a new game, where you have to pick those who don't finish, get penalties or are disqualified. I should win by a mile!

I can!


That's nice to know. Maybe I'm not the only one feeling like Ricciardo at the moment!


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tim3003 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Fair enough I personally think now that the penalties are a bit soft for what can be gained in certain situations like when the original picks are really bad as witnessed by practice times.

However if the general consensus is too leave things as they are then I can only go along with that.


I think you need to decide what the penalties are for. Earlier you seemed to say that they were for late entries, and that tactical changes to existing entries arent in the spirit of the game. If this is so then just ban any changes to existing entries. So after FP1 starts only new entries are allowed.

If it's more about finding a suitable level for the penalties to punish tactical changes whilst still allowing them then we can bandy figures around forever. Maybe in the end you'll need to take an executive decision! :)

I run the competition but I don't own the competition as such, I took it over from someone else.

Without the regular players there would be no competition so I'm not going to change anything without solid backing.

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tim3003 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Fair enough I personally think now that the penalties are a bit soft for what can be gained in certain situations like when the original picks are really bad as witnessed by practice times.

However if the general consensus is too leave things as they are then I can only go along with that.


I think you need to decide what the penalties are for. Earlier you seemed to say that they were for late entries, and that tactical changes to existing entries arent in the spirit of the game. If this is so then just ban any changes to existing entries. So after FP1 starts only new entries are allowed.

If it's more about finding a suitable level for the penalties to punish tactical changes whilst still allowing them then we can bandy figures around forever. Maybe in the end you'll need to take an executive decision! :)

Coming back again to your post again that's a good idea to stop changes to selections after FP1 has started so people don't get 2 bites of the cherry as such, but as Covalent as said if people don't see a problem then why change anything.

For my own part I was just voicing my own concerns that the competition should not have an unfair balance towards being reactive as opposed to being predictive.

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pokerman wrote:
Coming back again to your post again that's a good idea to stop changes to selections after FP1 has started so people don't get 2 bites of the cherry as such, but as Covalent as said if people don't see a problem then why change anything.

For my own part I was just voicing my own concerns that the competition should not have an unfair balance towards being reactive as opposed to being predictive.


Personally I think allowing adjustments post FP1 does add something to the game. Given that people seldom seem to rate their changes as successful when they do risk it, maybe the penalties are about right or even a shade high? It depends if you want to encourage adjustments, discourage them, or find a balance to make it interesting.

I'm going to suggest making the penalties 12, 18 and 25. That way there is an incentive to make a change after FP1 but before FP2, which there isn't currently.


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tim3003 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Coming back again to your post again that's a good idea to stop changes to selections after FP1 has started so people don't get 2 bites of the cherry as such, but as Covalent as said if people don't see a problem then why change anything.

For my own part I was just voicing my own concerns that the competition should not have an unfair balance towards being reactive as opposed to being predictive.


Personally I think allowing adjustments post FP1 does add something to the game. Given that people seldom seem to rate their changes as successful when they do risk it, maybe the penalties are about right or even a shade high? It depends if you want to encourage adjustments, discourage them, or find a balance to make it interesting.

I'm going to suggest making the penalties 12, 18 and 25. That way there is an incentive to make a change after FP1 but before FP2, which there isn't currently.

The penalties are definitely not too high :)

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