M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
lamo wrote:
M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
People around here really do like to go with "Lewis is better" "when Lewis leaves no one will push him" "no desire" someone even had the balls to say Lewis Leadership!
what seems common is that most think he cannot be consistent enough, 2011 he had 8 podiums and a 4th in the last 9 races.
to play the What if game: If not for Vettel Jenson would have been champion last year and his teammate was Lewis!, don't think that is possible? then don't say Lewis would have been champion this year IF not for DNFs.
Motivation coming from Lewis? well always having a challenging teammate MAY (sometimes things end sour) push you forward, the same for every driver on the grid. but where was Lewis pushing Jenson last year? he was consistently behind. Jenson's win in Canada, Lewis was long gone and Jenson was 30 seconds behind the last car. Motivation?
Given the right machinery he can be WDC again
The bolded is completely incorrect, they finished 7-7 when both finished, won 3 races each. Even in the middle on Jensons great run in the second half Lewis still
soundly beat him in most of the races he avoided penalties and collisions in, namely Abu Dhabi and Korea.
most?
in the last 9 races (the second half you mentioned) Lewis beat him in only those 2! how is that "soundly beating him in most of the races". It is not Jenson's fault Lewis had those penalties or collisions, actually Lewis only had himself to blame at the time.
now how can someone question Jenson's motivation and say he is only interested in beating Lewis. actually IIRC last year his aim was to outscore Vettel in the second half (not overall of course), Hamilton was having a bad year and Jenson for those last 9 races was only outscored by Vettel
You are right its not Jenson fault he had those penalties, he took full advantage. But what happens when Lewis stops getting those penalties? 2012. He completely out performed him.
The motivation stuff is a load of tripe, both drivers race to finish as high as possible all the time.
And yes my statement holds. He finished ahead twice. Spa he retired way ahead of JB, Monza Schumacher ran Lewis off track allowing JB passed subsequently getting Lewis stuck behind MS again as he pitted as soon as Lewis passed him.
Singapore, Japan and Brazil 2011 JB was simply the better driver in that 9 race block.
India Lewis looked a lot quicker but the grid penalty and subsequent Massa incident ruined his race.
I only raised this in relation to you saying Jenson was consistently ahead of Lewis, which is nonsense.
The first half of 2011 Lewis was a long way ahead of Jenson and theres not "ifs", he was simply quicker just like Jenson was in that block of 3 races mentioned above.