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it does not change the fact, that the person who turns down the offer, makes the decission.
How do we know if Hamilton would have turned down any offer, because he made already the decission to leave?
Whom should we believe?
Hamilton who says he left, because he wants to move on, experience something new, grow & develop, leave the home where he was since he is a child?
Or Dennis who wants to keep a certain image.

Maybe the decission had absolutely nothing to do with McLarens offers.

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i know he said something about everything can be negotiated when asked about that,this is just sour grapes from Ron,there is nothing new here as everyone already knows he can get emotional.

So if McLaren turned down Lewis' offer does that mean they made the decision

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

He chose to leave because they weren't willing to meet his demands. If he were leaving no matter what, why would he have negotiated? He was willing to stay if they made him the right offer. They chose not to make it. Both sides made decisions. If Lewis leaving were too much for ol Ron's pride he would have just offered him whatever he wanted, and he'd still be there, and neither Lewis nor McLaren would likely have an FIA trophy to fight over at the end of the season.

Instead, they both made the right decision for themselves and McLaren finally has a clear team leader, less drama, and more vast sponsorship opportunities with their promising young Mexican, and Lewis has a chance to build a team around himself rather than being injected into one, and a chance to see if he has more success with a team that does things differently than the one he's always been in, which hasn't really enabled him to win another title. Its a win win for everyone right now, why should either side be bitter?

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No he wasn't he was informed about the negotiations, he was informed about the decission and he supported it
Mercedes kept him informed and involved in anything!
He even said he would have done the same, and told them to sign Hamilton if they can.

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

gotta say though judging by how Mclaren can't seem to stop taking digs at Lewis and Lewis just ignoring it like it isn't happening...it seems clear to me which party has moved on and which party wanted out.

Well if the jorunos keep asking the questions it will keep getting talked about.

As for moving on. They let him work with Merc before his contract was up.

You should check Lewis Twitter and facebook too Doesn't seem too keen to cut the McLaren ties

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

He chose to leave, because he wanted to leave. He just was not sure about it, until after the race at Singapore. Hamilton himself said it he swung like a pendulum, to stay ot to leave for quite some time.
No offer would have changed his mind .Is this so difficult to understand?

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

Maybe because he has not been there since quite some time ( twitter & facebook)
The messages and pictures come from Instagramm

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

I haven't heard or read any quotes from Lewis that say no offer would have changed his mind. Just ones that said his management was handling negotiations. If you're negotiating, you haven't decided to leave at all costs.

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McLaren reportedly upped its financial offer in the final week of negotiations and Whitmarsh believes the terms were higher than any other contract in F1.

"I think Lewis is a top-flight driver and we didn't underestimate his attractiveness to others in Formula One," he told the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes phone-in. "I think we knew that Lewis would be in demand and that's why we made him an offer.

"The offer that we made was higher, I believe, than any other driver in Formula One is currently receiving or will receive next year.


Didn't know Whitmarsh was Lewis manager, who made the offer for Lewis, not to him

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

Looks like he based his decission on his feelings rather than the offer , From McL or Merc.

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"I've had such a great career with McLaren. I signed for McLaren when I was 13 and have had such an incredible journey with them. But in the end I had two offers on the table which were very similar but one was a lot more exciting. It's just a challenge. I could stay in the great car that I have, which I've worked really hard to help develop with the team, or go to a car that's not so well developed and help it.

Even Whitmarsh said , he thinks Lewis made the decission out of emotions

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

I've already posted the quote.

You missed out the "Other than himself" .

Don't forget not all the offers and demands are one sided. Lewis' team wouldn't have sat there going "Nope not enough" They would have been making their own offers and demands saying stuff like "We want Peanut M&Ms but remove the blue ones" .

McLaren basically said We will give you the "M&Ms but if you we ain't removing the blue ones." Turning down his offer to drive for M&Ms as long as the blue ones were taken out.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

The speed with which they signed Sergio means negotiations must have been going on for some time so it appear that Lewis's exit was engineered.
I have seen it a number of time where a person's position was made untenable even though the people behind it would say they had done everything they could to make them stay.
I have also seen people leave positions no matter what effort was put into keeping them, usually because they felt undervalued.

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the questions get asked to Lewis too,he just doesn't try to put a negative spin on it all the time.

Lewis first met with Mercedes in 2011 dec,am sure they must have known it and they would be silly to put all their eggs in one basket.

you negotiate until you have an alternative

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He had an alternative from 6 months prior.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Its Ron Dennis, he even has a name for his style of rambling "Ronspeak".

What was his comments after Lewis won in Monza and it was mentioned the team had won 1 title in 13 years?

"We are not here racing to win WDC/WCC!?" talk about discredit yourself due to your own pride and failure to admit the lack of recent success.

I know people including myself, who turned down a better offer, to work for less money and a worse position, just because they wanted to go somewhere else (and help to develop something new)
I was not forced out or undervalued, both companies really wanted me. I left the company where I learned and was nearly a part of the family, they made me a very good offer better than the others, but I left.
There are people out there with visions, who want to try something new, to make experiences, even if it's a risk

I believe Hamilton when he says he wants to go & develop, as driver and as person. He wants to learn to work with different people, to improve his skills, to leave the nest.

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

Wow it's quite incredible how your situation mirrors your idols!

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It ain't hating just 'cause it's not love

Looks like he weighed his options and decided it was more worth it to him to leave than to stay. Like we've all said 100x now. Because what McLaren offered wasn't enough. McLaren had the option to offer whatever was necessary to keep him, they passed. Two decisions.

If you put a limit on what you're willing to give up it means you accept you might not get what you want, so there's no reason to be bitter about it.

As for Ron still talking about it and Lewis supposedly putting a more positive spin on things - Ron is asked the questions by journalists. How many press engagements has Lewis done since wrapping up his obligations at McLaren? None that I know of.

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No, his situation mirrors mine
But, yes there are a lot of similarties, even if it's a complete different buisness.
should I tell you how my journey continued? There could be some further similarties. Even I would not like it to be like this similar.

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No, please spare me

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Multi 21 or Catch 22?!

It ain't hating just 'cause it's not love

The question is what did Lewis want. Something he obviously thinks he can get it at Mercedes.
IMO nothing material.
For me RD sounds bitter about Lewis decission, not to stay.

It's simply not Hamiltons way to say anything negative about McL. Even after they ruined some of his races, there was not one single word. The DNfs he stayed calm & quiet.
Ron could have given an answer like "We are looking foreward to next year, bla bla", and not mention it at all. but it seems somwhow important to him. The fact he wants to "correct" the opinion that Hamilton left McLaren, shows how much it still bothers him.
Hamilton gave an interview to some Italian media this days, but there was no single word about McLaren, maybe he was not asked.

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

Haha you had the chance to know about the future .

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I enjoy your positivity, but I think it's perhaps a little early to make the above statements.

Please take into consideration though, that Ron Dennis's bottom lip was all over the show during the interview and tears could be seen streaming down his face.

When the tears come streaming down your face
When you lose something you can't replace
When you love someone but it goes to waste
Could it be worse?

Lights will guide you home
And ignite your bones
And Perez will try to fix you

👍

MEANWHILE .. Whilst Super Villain Ron is busy hatching his master plan to dominate the world of technologies from automotive to pharmaceutical , healthcare , defence, air traffic , AND developing performance enhancing data systems to gain optimum performance from ELITE athletes and their equipment .
This business guru, perfectionist , insane attention to detail and a man of vision
Decides its best for Mclaren F1 division to force out their protege Lewis Hamilton one of the top three, in which ever order you wish to put it , and fastest racer in F1 today, in his prime and replace him with....Perez .
( unless they wish to use him as an experiment ) I think not 👷.💊


I believe Lewis has a three year contract with Mercedes , and I find Ron's comment about the current economic situation and plans he has put in place for the future interesting.

"but it doesn't actually have an impact on a plan that will unfold in three years time , he says the economy will come back and we want to be ready to take advantage of that "

An altogether strange article from Ron he's obviously been extremely busy, with the strains and pressures of expanding into new exciting areas of business then being blindsided by the economy to boot, I think he's angrier than he's making out , his favourite toy was snatched from under his nose whilst he was distracted with another one , I don't think we've heard the end of this yet .

IN THE NEXT ISSUE Arch-villain ROSS BRAWN....

I think... somethings are better left unsaid.

Where does Button fit in this, is he his bit on the side?

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I recently read that in 2011 Hamilton's new management team were talking in terms of a new improved contract for Hamilton at McLaren especially i guess as it was around that time that Button had just renewed his own contract with an improved deal. So it must have been a bit of a surprise for both them and Hamilton that when they went into negotiations with McLaren last year that Hamilton was offered a pay cut, even less than Button's current deal i believe?

I'm not sure about the time line here regarding Hamilton's management approaching Red Bull, but certainly when Red Bull resigned Webber for another year McLaren thought they had Hamilton by the short and curlies. After that of course contact was made with Mercedes and it was only after McLaren realised how serious Hamilton was considering leaving for Mercedes that they increased their pay offer but i guess not to the level that Hamilton wanted.

So i guess that McLaren were not prepared to keep Hamilton at any cost so Hamilton chose to leave, i know Hamilton's made a lot about the new challenge at Mercedes but i can't help feeling that McLaren's blase approach to his new pay deal didn't help.

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Yes he dallied too much over signing a new contact so Mercedes signed Hamilton

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No it was dependent on Schumacher signing a new contract but he dallied too much so the decision was made for him, they couldn't wait too long otherwise Hamilton would have resigned for McLaren

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I guess you could argue that, even if he knew he was definitely leaving, it would be totally beneficial to the Hamilton camp to get the best possible deal on the table at McLaren to enable the negotiation of an even better deal at Merc.

Wouldn't a big factor in this be Hamilton being able to have his own personal sponsors at Mercedes, many of the top sports stars earn far more money in sponsorship deals then actual wages/prize money

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If it wasn't about money why use McLaren as leverage to get more out of Merc

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Ahh, yeah, not about money. I forgot that bit

Well, obviously I haven't really got a clue what was being negotiated, but if I had to guess I'd say that it could involve the things you've mentioned about personal sponsorship, etc, plus as big a salary as was possible, plus probably loads of other stuff as well.

I've already said it was about the blue M&Ms.

The man simply didn't want blue M&Ms. Ron he was was feared of a discrimination law suite by blue M&Ms.



It's their fault I tell you. Damn trouble making Blue M&Ms . Bet you Alonso and Seb have Blue M&M parties saving all the ones Lewis discards.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."