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Many journalists are saying that it sounds much better than many were dreading. They simulated a lap of Monza on the dyno. Does anyone know if any recordings of it have found their way onto the web yet? Or maybe they stopped people from using mobile phones to record the sound.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105080

Not sure if they're trying to convince the fans or themselves...but I'm not one of the doom-mongers of the V6 era. We've lost V12s, V10s and now V8s...as long as we don't end up with lawnmower engines and don't lose the speed we'll be fine.

The V8s already sound rubbish compared to the old engines, so we're not losing much in that respect. If you still need earplugs to sit on the International Pit Straight then I'll be happy enough.

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Well the way they are talking about it has got me excited, but I think that may be down to a change rather than the engines. It's going to be interesting if the engine changes will make a difference and who can benefit or not, from it.

Wonder how long its going to take others to reveal their engines now.

I might need a bit of clarification here.

Will ERS still be operated by the driver? Or will it be passive energy?

33 secs of a driver-operated boost should really open up the strategic element of using it. The way I always hoped KERS would be from the beginning.

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I was wondering if it's to convince those that bought into Ferraris and Bernies These are a bit fairy cakes style comments.

I'm sure Merc wouldn't want more prospective rule changes being put off again.

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I must say though that is a gorgeous looking engine! Im sure it wont be all that bad.. Like its been said, as long as the thrill of the speed and the sound of the engines remains somewhat similar it wont bother me to much.

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I never thought they would sound bad, we had them in the 70s and 80s and people weren't mad.

People in the 70's and 80's didn't feel entitled to have absolutely everything their own way like they do now!

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I don't like the sound of the current engines. Not worried in the slightest about how the new ones will sound - in fact I expect them to be an improvement.

But the thing was that in those days Turbo technology was at an evolutionary point and people really began to explore all the intricacies of a turbo system and being that it was F1, the squeezed the living daylights out of them to create monstrously overpowered 4-bangers. Then that was getting too powerful, too dangerous and as we all know highly unreliable and so the decision was made to go to natural aspiration. The V10's sounded incredible and most 12's even better, with that high pitched tone you could hear as the cars were coming around a distant corners, decibel levels increasing as the tone morphed into the loudest high-pitched scream as it blew past, taking with it anything that wasn't part of the track to the point, some of us blew loads in our shorts! LOL

The V8's of today sound really damn good but for those of us who have a better point of reference, knowing how the 10's and 12's sounded, they just lack that little sumthin'.

These new engines might add some excitement, but there's no substitute for this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0nVspbf4vo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSo0zVnYR_I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkfmUPvhGGM

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that engine looks good - and I'm sure with the right exhaust it'll sound brilliant!
It would be interesting to see the real performance of it in an F1 car directly next to the current engines? Presumably, this gives Merc a long time to test it for reliability and fine tune it before homologation?

No longer than anyone else. Ferrari already have theirs up and running and I think Renault have too.

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I'll stop watching at this point, the new engines sound like fairy cakes.

I want go back to the V10s.

How do you know?

Shame about the sound of the traction control.

A multi-million-£/$/€ engine will always be awesome.

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KERS will be absolutely vital now, considering it's twice as powerful and available for a third of the entire lap. Mark Webber must be worried...

He shouldn't.. Because the hulk is taking his seat?

Engines are getting smaller,but at least turbos are back

Sorry but those videos as well as reminding me how nice those V10s sounded, also reminded me of that HORRENDOUS traction control sound

My guess is they won't sound much different than current indycar turbo engines, which is not very impressive

One thing to note guys, 5 engines per season per driver. So if there's any Kers failure or whatsoever, they are getting a grid drop. Great. Read it from James Allen's page.

A, how do you know what they sound like?
And B, you watch a port because of the engine sound?

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I don't think number of cylinders matter. Weren't the some awesome BMW turbos just 4 cylinders?

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As if the sound comes through the TV nicely with all the commentary

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There were 3 actually from same family.
Manfred, then his younger brother Joachim and also Manfred's son Markus who tested for Midland in 06 and ran in Nurburgring in 07 in Spyker and retired

They left a lot in the shadows there.

When they introduce electric-only in the pitlane, and having to restart the engine at the end, wonder how many times we'll see cars crawling through the pits on nearly-dead batteries, not making it to the end, causing collisions and holding other cars up, and failing to restart and causing a safety car?

Have to wonder how many times a team-mate or sister-team's car will slow someone down in the pit lane "because the battery was low", and then they'll be investigating was the battery actually low or not, and was that intentional or accidental. Some will get away with cheating, and some innocents will be punished.

For those reasons I think they should forget about electric-only and let KERS just be a boost.


Also, Webber might as well retire at the end of next season, because with an electric motor that big on the engines he won't be able to score points in the half of the races where his KERS fails.

I knew about Marcus then I've seen that video and now I've learned that there was another one.

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You're right, no-one would ever think of cheating like that, just like no-one would ever order their own car to crash.

I can't see it. I'm sure if push comes to the shove the FIA will let them go to petrol again rather than cause that. Then investigate whether it was Force Majuere or not after the race.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vs4Mv7ibkA

this is the sound you want...

It might just be me but I've been to races in the V10/V12 era, the solely V10 era and the V8 one and don't actually notice that much difference in the sound of the cars... I certainly don't find one sound massively more pleasurable than the others.

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I thought I read that they're doing away with Force Majuere.

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Thats in quali if they don't make it around and claim fuel issues.

I just don't see how they can say cars must run on battery power and not have a proviso for when the battery power packs in. Unless they suggest cars just park up because they can't make their way down the pit with electric power. Which means parking on track because they wouldn't be allowed to drive into their pits to retire. Which would be pretty stupid at tracks like Monaco.

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"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

The rules 2014 are just draft. Anyway if car retires it wouldn't matter whether it broke rules or not. The car is already practically out of competition.

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