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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:07 pm 
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Disney paying $52B for Fox film, including Sky Plc, which owns Sky Sports, iirc. Sky Sports coverage upcoming for us in the U.S? https://reut.rs/2ytw9W1

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:25 pm 
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That's not encouraging, hairy.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:16 am 
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Hey Blake! How's it going?

I dunno if we'll end up with them, but I love SkyF1. You don't?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:16 am 
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It's goin' OK, hairy... I just retired last month. I'll be able to come your way at will now... not dependent on how many vacation days I have left!

As for Sky... if they bring back some kind of combination of Varsha, Hobbs, and Matchett, I will be fine with it. If we get an Euro team without an US representation, then not so much... nor do I think that will improve American viewer numbers.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:18 am 
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Congrats on your retirement! I'm one bad shift away from that, too, I think...

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:46 pm 
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I called them the Three Stooges of Motorsports.

Hobbs used to be interesting and funny. That was back when it seemed as if he showed up drunk after a Saturday night on the town. But that ended decades ago. Hobbs became this very unfunny bitter man. I used to think they could record before the season about five "Hobbs-isms", then just act like a radio DJ and press a button to bring up Hobbs whining about traffic in qualifying or whatever else he used to say every single race.

Varsha was an idiot. Varsha would constantly say things that were not true, but he'd keep saying them if he thought they sounded good. One example was that for a part of one season F1 had a rule where a team had to set a time within 107% or they'd actually be excluded from the race. So, Varsha started saying "before you can race in the xxx grand prix, first you have to qualify" F1 quickly changed the rule as soon as sponsers who'd paid lots of money were in threat of not being in a race. But Varsha kept saying it for years and years and years after it was true. Another season, some races were on the Fox network, and Varsha decided to impress the fans by talking about 'sub-second pit stops'. F1 stops are fast, but they've never become sub-second. But that didn't stop Varsha from saying it all summer.

Matchette could be useful IF he stuck to what he knows. He was a mechanic. So if the broadcast needed to explain what a crew was working on in a shot, he knew what he was seeing. But, Matchette, like many mechanics, things he's really an engineer. But he always sounded like an idiot when he started talking about stuff he knew little about.

The key to this broadcast team was to realize that they were always wrong. If they said X was going to happen, it wasn't. If they said a car was surely about to pit, then the car would stay out. If they said a car would stay out, it would pull into the pits. I remember a Spa race where a bit of rain started to fall just before the stop. Matchette was screaming that the cars must pit, and of course all but one stayed out for the start. One car pitted, and it screwed up their race badly. The funny part was that Matchette in the lead up to the race had explained exactly why the cars shouldn't pit, but in typical Matchette fashion, he completely forgot this when he saw a couple of rain drops on a camera and instantly made the wrong call.

On top of this, they were constantly the Ferrari fan club. They would scream and cheer if a Ferrari made a pass. They would cry and moan if a Ferrari got passed. Hobbs used to say thanks to the Ferrari clubs who'd paid his bar bill in the last couple of weeks, and which ones he's soon be getting to pay his bar bill in the future. Me, I was never a Ferrari fan, so I got really sick and tired of them quickly.

These three did teach me that I could watch a race on mute and that I understood more than enough of what was going on to understand and enjoy the race. A skill that is quite handy considered the very poor quality of racing announcers generally.

I can't stand ESPN. They screw up any sport they broadcast. Whatever stock car guy they pick for these races will be awful, just like their Indy coverage is awful and just like any other race or sport they broadcast these days is awful. I guess they'll find the stock car equivalent of Dick Vitalle to scream into a microphone. But I can't say in the least I'm going to miss the Three Stooges of Motorsport.

Undoubtedly, it will be more Racing on Mute.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:56 pm 
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hairy_scotsman wrote:
Hey Blake! How's it going?

I dunno if we'll end up with them, but I love SkyF1. You don't?


The Sky track-side, pre-race team is excellent. However, I could be quite happy if I never heard Crofty ever again. They are of course, very, very, very pro-Hamilton and will never say a bad thing about him nor that he's ever made a mistake. Brundle has hated Vettel with a passion that goes back to when Vettel won championships with Red Bull. But beyond that, Brundle is usually worth listening too.

At times I get to go back and forth between BBC and Sky. With BBC, its Coulthard that can be quite annoying. But their 'voice' guy seems pretty good. Somehow every Tv network seems to think they need a 'voice' guy in the booth who knows nothing about racing but who is a professional announcer. These are usually the people who stink and sound like an idiot. But the BBC guy seems pretty good. I can't think of his name. And maybe that's why he seems pretty good, if he's more focused on the racing than on self-promotion and giving out his hashtag to people know how to contact him.

That BBC Voice guy and Brundle would be my best announcer pairing from what I get to hear of English language F1 broadcasters.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:43 pm 
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marc420 wrote:
Varsha was an idiot. Varsha would constantly say things that were not true, but he'd keep saying them if he thought they sounded good. One example was that for a part of one season F1 had a rule where a team had to set a time within 107% or they'd actually be excluded from the race. So, Varsha started saying "before you can race in the xxx grand prix, first you have to qualify" F1 quickly changed the rule as soon as sponsers who'd paid lots of money were in threat of not being in a race. But Varsha kept saying it for years and years and years after it was true.

Just picking this out of your stream of general negativity, but it's pretty ironic for you to criticize Varsha as an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about and then claim the 107% rule isn't still in force.

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Exediron wrote:
marc420 wrote:
Varsha was an idiot. Varsha would constantly say things that were not true, but he'd keep saying them if he thought they sounded good. One example was that for a part of one season F1 had a rule where a team had to set a time within 107% or they'd actually be excluded from the race. So, Varsha started saying "before you can race in the xxx grand prix, first you have to qualify" F1 quickly changed the rule as soon as sponsers who'd paid lots of money were in threat of not being in a race. But Varsha kept saying it for years and years and years after it was true.

Just picking this out of your stream of general negativity, but it's pretty ironic for you to criticize Varsha as an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about and then claim the 107% rule isn't still in force.


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I couldn't get interested in NASCAR if my life depended on it.

I WAS a huge fan of Nascar.


Me too, right up until February 18th, 2001 - the day Dale died, I have never watched another NASCAR race since and here's my reason why......

Instead of being honest with NASCAR racing fans, the powers that be in NASCAR decided to blame of all persons "Bill Simpson" and Simpson racing products - and as a result Bill Simpson retired as head of the company bearing his name.

IMHO - castigating the man that did more for safety and the protection of drivers in all forms of motor-racing than anyone to date.

Just a few facts regarding Mr. NASCAR, Dale Earnhardt, (aka "Iron-head"):

Dale made up his own rules regarding the driver's seat and safety products in his racing car, (and NASCAR let him). NOBODY BUT DALE EARNHARDT TOUCHED HIS "SEAT" OR HIS "SEAT-BELTS".

Every season NASCAR mandated "new" seat-belts be installed in the NASCAR racing car - but Dale refused to install them in "his" car until they had first been washed in a commercial washer more than 50 times - for new belts are quite stiff and they "chaffed" his shoulders and "he" didn't like that.

Every season NASCAR gave out the specs on how these new seat-belts were to be installed on and around the driver's racing seat - and every year Dale ignored them. The distance from the seat anchor point to the over-the-shoulder "belt-anchor" point was set in the rules at no more than 18", but again Dale did not like that rule, 'cus again he said it "chaffed" his shoulders....., the over-the-shoulder seat-belt anchor point in Dale's car were over 24" (28" IIRC) from the seat anchor points - and again NASCAR's unwillingness to make Dale abide by the rules (against Bill Simpson's own admonishment both to Dale personally and to NASCAR year after year), fell on deaf ears.

Every season NASCAR gave out new "seat" specs and how they must be anchored in the cars and how the "belts" were to be configured in, on and through that racing seat - and every year Dale ignored them. The rules clearly stated that the "crotch" strap was to be routed through the slot for it in the racing seat, BUT Dale didn't like the way it chaffed his testicles, so "his" crotch strap was never in the "slot" but around the front of his seat. I guess it gave his big ones more breathing room and to heck with preventing the submarining/sliding forward in the racing seat in the event of a crash.

Every season Bill Simpson, personally and on his own reconnaissance, examined all NASCAR race car drivers installation of Simpson Racing equipment and made suggestions both to drivers and NASCAR - and to Dale personally about the manner in which "he" specifically violated the rules on "seat-belt" use in the 3 car - and he was ignored by both Dale, who just laughed and NASCAR.

There is much that could be mentioned here regarding Dale's disdain of the full faced helmet and the H.A.N.S. device, but the fact of the matter is that one of Dale's over-the-shoulder, over-washed and improperly anchored seat-belts broke when he contacted the wall head-on in the 2001 Daytona 500.

I watched the race LIVE, my last NASCAR race ever knowing these 2 facts:

1. Dale intentionally wrecked Sterling Marlin in turn 4 on the last lap of the 2001 Daytona 500 - in order to assure that either "HIS" car, driven by Michael Waltrip or "HIS" son would be the winner of that particular Daytona 500.

2. When Dale hit the wall he had the biggest $&^#-eating grin on his face knowing full well his intention #1 above was going to be successful.


.....they didn't call him "IRONHEAD" for nuthin.........., and NASCAR died for me the day they blamed a man that did more for the safety and protection of any motorsport drivers the world-over - ALL BECAUSE THE POWERS THAT BE IN NASCAR COULDN'T BEAR TO BE HONEST AND TELL FANS THE TRUTH.

....., I'm surprised Ironhead didn't come back from the dead and punch 'em all in the teeth for the "blame" that NASCAR tossed on the shoulders of Bill Simpson, who didn't deserve one iota of it and tried time and time again dauntlessly to warn Dale he was risking his life, by the choices Dale Earnhardt, himself made with the "approval" of NASCAR because of his status in the sport.......


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:50 pm 
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Just wait until ESPN starts pre-empting the practices with women's basketball, and curling.

Same way they used to do when they carried CART and NASCAR events. Taped delay, or nothing at all.

And let's not get started with the Thursday night thunder, and AMA flat track coverage.

When they were purchased by Disney, they moved to stick and ball stuff exclusively.

And they're political views always worm into their coverage eventually.

I'll just pay for streaming coverage if I have to.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:30 pm 
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Not happy with this Liberty Media decision. LM has fallen a couple notches in my view because of it.

I will miss Hobbs, Matchett, even Diffey. I will not miss Sam Posey.


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