planetf1.com

Yes there's been no monitoring of that loophole but there's also no suggestion from the FIA that Ferrari understood it could be done either as far as I know.

Because of the recent Sassi (ex Ferrari engine boss) signing to the same team that run it up the pole I can understand why folk would get suspicious though of course but unless they get caught then much like the oil burn situation there's not a lot to be done.

No, because then you'd say something like Ferrari may have been using it to cheat in qualifying, but instead you categorically stated they were using it. Please tell me you understand the difference

... or put Lewis Hamilton in red?

Zoue wrote:

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https://www.grandprix247.com/2018/05/27/fia-clear-ferrari-of-any-suspicion-of-cheating/

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I think you're ignoring the "careful" wording in that statement (you only quoted general statements)

So, from the quoted link ;

".... that Ferrari’s system was more complicated than that used by rivals but he now accepted everything was above board...." note the "now" - it does not comment on what it was at Baku.

"..... the duty of the competitor to satisfy the FIA that their car complies at all times and they were having difficulty satisfying us,” he added. “Here, we are now satisfied.” -- AGAIN, the ambiguous "now".

"...... they took some measures to make sure we understood it more and that we were seeing things that we were happy with.” -- only happy AFTER the measures were taken, why ?

I'm sorry, I have no idea as to whether the system was legal in Baku, but neither IT WOULD SEEM do the FIA - they are only saying that the Ferrari system is o.k. now.

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Blake would have a heart attack.

Yeah I had previously read the transcript, Zoue did decide to leave out certain bits, when I said that the FIA didn't know how the system worked that seemed to be somewhat a laughable thing to say, the main thing going forward is not what Ferrari may have or may not have been doing but that will not be possible now.

The FIA says it is satisfied Ferrari’s F1 power unit complies with the rules but confirmed it will add further systems to monitor it more closely from the next race.

Race director Charlie Whiting said the team proved to the FIA their power unit is compliant after monitoring it during practice on Thursday in Monaco. However the method used to check it was complicated and the FIA wants a simpler system in place for the Canadian Grand Prix.

“Their duty is to satisfy us that the car complies,” said Whiting after Sunday’s race. “But they were finding it hard to satisfy us.

“By the time we got to here, looking at data [and] software changes that had been implemented, it [became] clearer exactly where we were and after the first day of running we were then able to say we’re happy and we understand it now.”

Ferrari demonstrated the legality of its design “via a complex routine” Whiting explained. “But we don’t want to have to go through that all the time in order to make sure so we would rather additional measurements were made.”

The FIA will add “additional monitoring for Canada”, he said, and further sensors could be added to improve monitoring next year. “But what we’ll have for Canada will be a better system which will help us get things done much quicker than we had to. It’s taken us a couple of races to get to the bottom of it.”

From Racefans.net (F1Fanatics)

FIA adding more monitoring to Ferrari’s power unit for next race:

https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/27/fia ... next-race/


I must admit some of this make NO sense what so ever.

Only if it meant pokerman were a Ferrari fan... they can't afford that!!! Nor could I!

The way I read that is that the FIA feels that the system has the potential to be abused but they haven’t found evidence that it has been. Or simply that they just don’t understand its complexity so are taking measures just in case

Because the things I was reading came across as being factual, it's not like I was screaming for Ferrari to be penalised as teams never are retrospectively anyway.

The system is basically too clever for the stewards and that's the kind of thing you would do if looking to cheat, not that this has been proven of course.

It would probably help these discussions if you posted links to the things you were reading when making these comments.

From the tone of what Whiting has said, there is no real implication Ferrari are cheating. Just that the way they came up with to prove so was too convoluted.

Is the Canada monitoring just a proof of concept for future (2019?) monitoring.

Hm, so the system was (a) too complex for the stewarts to police (so far) and (b) had the potential to be used for cheating. So, so far, Ferrari basically could cheat without getting caught. Well, I am very sure they were much too moral for doing this and the complexity plus the ability to cheat is a fully necessary element of the system in question.

So, let's hope that FIA's/stewarts' new measures and controls are sufficient to prevent any further cheating on this side.

The system is basically too clever for the stewards and that's the kind of thing you would do if looking to cheat, not that this has been proven of course.

Because the things I was reading came across as being factual, it's not like I was screaming for Ferrari to be penalised as teams never are retrospectively anyway.

So if something is complex your default position is that they intend to cheat? Hilarious!

So if something is complex your default position is that they intend to cheat? Hilarious!

That's because articles I read said that they were actually doing it.

That's because articles I read said that they were actually doing it.

Where were the articles?

Only if it meant pokerman were a Ferrari fan... they can't afford that!!! Nor could I!

I was wondering the same, I have not found any articles that plainly stated that Ferrari were cheating.

I'll be honest though, I wasn't looking at http://www.I-hate-Ferrari.com or anything like that, just a plain google search

I read too many to be saving them but I've found the relevant one, go to 4:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5OxyB11XAc

I read too many to be saving them but I've found the relevant one, go to 4:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5OxyB11XAc

More scrutiny to follow in Canada it seems, according to PF1 main site.

FIA have gone from "satisfied" to "not satisfied" lol.

Must be a soul destroying job working for the FIA !

It was always planned for Canada too. Charlie said so in the same interview he said that the FIA were satisfied with understanding how the system works.

To be fair to the FIA Monaco is a bit of a bogus track as its not much of a power track. Canada on the other hand with that long straight should give a clearer picture.

Ah ok I didn't know that

Oh boy. You really aren´t doing your credibility any favours here. Seems to me when someone asks you to back up your "stories" they don´t stand up to scrutiny really that often.

Plus I get the idea that they have left the sensor there in order to prevent this from happening in the future. As in "now we gave you the idea of how to do it so we have to police it"...

Or the realisation that before they were not policing it properly because they had no idea how the system worked?

I'm a bit interested why you have made nearly 90 posts in this specific thread?

I average 13 posts a day, did you really count?

Or the realisation that before they were not policing it properly because they had no idea how the system worked?