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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 2:10 pm 
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The fastest time in second practice last year was a 1:18.259 from Lewis Hamilton, so Bottas' 1:17.2 is looking very handy indeed.

It also means we've got a very good chance of seeing a new track record in qualifying tomorrow - the current record is a 1:16.173, also set last year.


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16:12 Prefacing this next observation with the caveat that only the teams know what engine modes and fuel loads they're running, but the Mercedes cars are lapping low-to-mid 1m22s, which is better than what Ferrari has shown.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/live-blog

Looking more and more like another Mercedes weekend, unfortunately


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In preseason testing they did 16.2s

Today they'll just be evaluating upgrades. Times completely pointless


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Think I'll have to start to use this skysports live-blog to keep up to speed. Ive actually no idea whats going on as I'm currently listening to Croft. :uhoh:


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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 2:31 pm 
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Not only are Valtteri Bottas and Lewis Hamilton topping this session with their one-lap pace, the long run averages look good for them, too.

Max Verstappen and Sebastian Vettel's averages are 1:23.1, while Charles Leclerc's is a 1:23.2. Bottas and Hamilton's? A 1:22.5 and 1:22.6.

"It's looking pretty ominous," says Karun Chandhok.


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That's a pretty hefty gap. Starting to debate what to do with my Sunday!


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Not only are Valtteri Bottas and Lewis Hamilton topping this session with their one-lap pace, the long run averages look good for them, too.

Max Verstappen and Sebastian Vettel's averages are 1:23.1, while Charles Leclerc's is a 1:23.2. Bottas and Hamilton's? A 1:22.5 and 1:22.6.

"It's looking pretty ominous," says Karun Chandhok.


https://www.skysports.com/f1/live-blog

That's a pretty hefty gap. Starting to debate what to do with my Sunday!


The only factor that could've saved this weekend from becoming a borefest is wet weather. Even when the track is tight, there would be mistakes or stellar drives with overtakes.

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Bottas ahead of Hamilton stands out for me, although FP1 and all. Is Bottas generally doing better this season, is Lewis taking it easy or is it maybe both?

Probably both, Bottas wasn't as close as this to Lewis by this time last year. Very good inter team battle indeed, Bottas single-handedly keeping the hopes for an interesting WDC in view of Ferrari under performing!

Also, very good from Grosjean and Sainz, I was expecting better from Max and Perez (well done Gasly and Lance!)

I think you're reading things wrong here mate. It's just FP1. Bottas's time relative to Hamilton is not significant in practice.

To go a step further; if you expect Bottas to put up a season-long battle with Lewis for the title, I think you will be disappointed. Don't get me wrong, Valteri is off to a fantastic start to the season but I think the results flatter him a bit up to this point. Hamilton's damaged floor in Australia meant that Bottas basically didn't have competition once he had that great start there. In Bahrain, Valteri was on-track for a distant 4th place before the Ferraris came unglued. In China, Hamilton was the one who had the great start and then Bottas couldn't stay with him from that point. I feel like Baku was a case of Lewis not being aggressive at the start (probably thinking he'd have other chances to pass Bottas) and really underestimating Valteri a bit on a track where following in dirty air is tricky. Even when you look at qualifying; Bottas is off to a solid 2-2 start against his teammate but, upon closer examination, you can combine the margins that Bottas set pole by in China and Baku and they still don't add up to even one tenth of a second.

Bottas has delivered and he has also caught breaks and won out on marginal 50/50 situations so far. It's about time too because last year Bottas's luck was almost as bad as it gets. That said, these early races on the calendar have always been the ones where he fares best relative to Hamilton. With the season moving to Europe, my expectation is to see Lewis begin to distance himself from Valteri from here on out. Especially when you get into the middle of the season and go to tracks like Silverstone, Hungary, Spa and Monza. We have seen that it is extremely difficult for Bottas to keep up during that stretch.

All that said; Valteri might surprise us. It's entirely possible that I have actually read things wrong and that Bottas has somehow raised his game enough to present a season-long threat to Lewis. I just don't personally see it though, unless reliability factors into things in a substantial way.


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Bottas ahead of Hamilton stands out for me, although FP1 and all. Is Bottas generally doing better this season, is Lewis taking it easy or is it maybe both?

Probably both, Bottas wasn't as close as this to Lewis by this time last year. Very good inter team battle indeed, Bottas single-handedly keeping the hopes for an interesting WDC in view of Ferrari under performing!

Also, very good from Grosjean and Sainz, I was expecting better from Max and Perez (well done Gasly and Lance!)

I think you're reading things wrong here mate. It's just FP1. Bottas's time relative to Hamilton is not significant in practice.

To go a step further; if you expect Bottas to put up a season-long battle with Lewis for the title, I think you will be disappointed. Don't get me wrong, Valteri is off to a fantastic start to the season but I think the results flatter him a bit up to this point. Hamilton's damaged floor in Australia meant that Bottas basically didn't have competition once he had that great start there. In Bahrain, Valteri was on-track for a distant 4th place before the Ferraris came unglued. In China, Hamilton was the one who had the great start and then Bottas couldn't stay with him from that point. I feel like Baku was a case of Lewis not being aggressive at the start (probably thinking he'd have other chances to pass Bottas) and really underestimating Valteri a bit on a track where following in dirty air is tricky. Even when you look at qualifying; Bottas is off to a solid 2-2 start against his teammate but, upon closer examination, you can combine the margins that Bottas set pole by in China and Baku and they still don't add up to even one tenth of a second.

Bottas has delivered and he has also caught breaks and won out on marginal 50/50 situations so far. It's about time too because last year Bottas's luck was almost as bad as it gets. That said, these early races on the calendar have always been the ones where he fares best relative to Hamilton. With the season moving to Europe, my expectation is to see Lewis begin to distance himself from Valteri from here on out. Especially when you get into the middle of the season and go to tracks like Silverstone, Hungary, Spa and Monza. We have seen that it is extremely difficult for Bottas to keep up during that stretch.

All that said; Valteri might surprise us. It's entirely possible that I have actually read things wrong and that Bottas has somehow raised his game enough to present a season-long threat to Lewis. I just don't personally see it though, unless reliability factors into things in a substantial way.

Ok, again, as I said to someone else above, please see the bold part, I know it's FP1 and shouldn't read much. Though FP2 has Bottas on top too just to tease us!!

As for the rest, sure, I know, the second part of the season is where Hamilton always looks strong. But Bottas is in a better place and has driven much better in my mind up to this point than last year, so all I was saying is similar to your last paragraph, that maybe Bottas raised his game and he could be a threat to Hamilton. In fact I'm praying for this so that the season will be still interesting as Ferrari's upgrades seem a dud so far


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15 minute laps, talk about sandbagging!!!


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Does anyone know where you can get laptimes which include breakdown of the 3 sectors?


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Zoue wrote:
Not only are Valtteri Bottas and Lewis Hamilton topping this session with their one-lap pace, the long run averages look good for them, too.

Max Verstappen and Sebastian Vettel's averages are 1:23.1, while Charles Leclerc's is a 1:23.2. Bottas and Hamilton's? A 1:22.5 and 1:22.6.

"It's looking pretty ominous," says Karun Chandhok.


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That's a pretty hefty gap. Starting to debate what to do with my Sunday!


The only factor that could've saved this weekend from becoming a borefest is wet weather. Even when the track is tight, there would be mistakes or stellar drives with overtakes.


Leave the negativity to me :lol: it's an awful track, needs to change or go IMO. You are normally quite positive about the races :?

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I read someone's comment that last night it rained. As a precaution, teams have been given an extra set of inters if it rains today during FP3 or qualy.

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Expected Merc to hold the advantage this weekend, but after practice with Ferrari's 3 tenths of the pace they feel like more of a threat. Defies logic I know but that's testing/practice for you! Bringing the new engine this early though I think it will be short lived even if they do have a resurgence the next two races.


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Oops Bottas


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Oops Bottas

They're all struggling, to be fair. Vettel spun, both Hamilton and Leclerc had a moment. Bottas was only on his outlap so I'm guessing the tyres are being unsurprisingly temperamental


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So Hamilton's a tenth behind the Ferraris so far, but he's on the Mediums while they are on Softs 8O


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...and now he's mor than half a second ahead, again on the Mediums. Gotta hope Ferrari haven't shown their hand yet!


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McLaren have brought a major upgrade package which completely changes their aero philosophy. A very bold move, but it hasn't translated into any track time increase as yet and they are looking pretty average. Wrong move or biding their time?


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...and now he's mor than half a second ahead, again on the Mediums. Gotta hope Ferrari haven't shown their hand yet!


More to come from Ferrari I reckon as Albon is only 3/10ths behind. Not convinced they've got enough in hand to challenge Merc though.


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Ferrrari seem quickest in S1 but Merc look mighty in S3


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half a second ahead. Don't think this is going to be a happy weekend for Ferrari


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Zoue wrote:
Ferrrari seem quickest in S1 but Merc look mighty in S3


Indeed. Bottas was a tenth quicker than Leclerc in S3 despite being help up by Vettel.

Some lap from Grosjean!


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the fastest Renault-powered car is 2.4s down. They're 1.5s down on the fastest Honda-powered car...


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half a second ahead. Don't think this is going to be a happy weekend for Ferrari

Just the one Merc at the moment though.

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Oh dear Russell. End of session methinks


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the fastest Renault-powered car is 2.4s down. They're 1.5s down on the fastest Honda-powered car...

This is not an engine track as such?

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half a second ahead. Don't think this is going to be a happy weekend for Ferrari

Just the one Merc at the moment though.

yeah Bottas has had minimal track time though to be fair. I'll be surprised if it's not a front-row lockout in qualifying


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half a second ahead. Don't think this is going to be a happy weekend for Ferrari

Just the one Merc at the moment though.

yeah Bottas has had minimal track time though to be fair. I'll be surprised if it's not a front-row lockout in qualifying

Same running on the soft though he just missed out on the medium running.

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the fastest Renault-powered car is 2.4s down. They're 1.5s down on the fastest Honda-powered car...

This is not an engine track as such?
maybe, but it's still a significant gap (after writing the above Sainz spared their blushes a bit but Q3 is looking doubtful for a Renault-powered car


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half a second ahead. Don't think this is going to be a happy weekend for Ferrari

Just the one Merc at the moment though.

yeah Bottas has had minimal track time though to be fair. I'll be surprised if it's not a front-row lockout in qualifying

Same running on the soft though he just missed out on the medium running.

and he got held up by a Ferrari on his flying lap. Your point?


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Zoue wrote:
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half a second ahead. Don't think this is going to be a happy weekend for Ferrari

Just the one Merc at the moment though.

yeah Bottas has had minimal track time though to be fair. I'll be surprised if it's not a front-row lockout in qualifying

Same running on the soft though he just missed out on the medium running.

and he got held up by a Ferrari on his flying lap. Your point?

He had 2 runs, Hamilton, Leclerc and Vettel closely matched their 2 runs, it suggests Bottas might not have the pace?

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I think there's a bit more to come from Max as he got badly baulked at the chicane on his flier, bit not sure it will be enough to catch the Ferraris. Strong possibility of a Noah's Ark scenario in Qualifying with a Mercedes>Ferrari>Red Bull>Haas> lineup locking out the first four rows!


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Zoue wrote:
I think there's a bit more to come from Max as he got badly baulked at the chicane on his flier, bit not sure it will be enough to catch the Ferraris. Strong possibility of a Noah's Ark scenario in Qualifying with a Mercedes>Ferrari>Red Bull>Haas> lineup locking out the first four rows!

The cars look a bit mixed up to me, we will see.

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Just the one Merc at the moment though.

yeah Bottas has had minimal track time though to be fair. I'll be surprised if it's not a front-row lockout in qualifying

Same running on the soft though he just missed out on the medium running.

and he got held up by a Ferrari on his flying lap. Your point?

He had 2 runs, Hamilton, Leclerc and Vettel closely matched their 2 runs, it suggests Bottas might not have the pace?

Bottas definitely got held up so there should be more to come from him. He's had pace all weekend so far - including fastest race pace in the sims - so I shouldn't write him off completely just yet. I'd be surprised if Merc didn't start and finish 1-2. They definitely look to have the quicker car.

Haas looked very competitive against Red Bull, in single-lap pace at least.


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The colder temperatures in FP3 surely made things tricky. Wonder what are the chances for rain?

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